Vox Cantoris : There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. None will get to Heaven. All will go to Hell for all eternity.

There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. No Protestants. No Jews. No Muslims, No Hindus. No Buddhists. No Mormans. No Jehovah's Witnesses. No animists, no atheists, no pagans. None will get to Heaven. All will go to Hell for all eternity

Lionel: 

Agreed.

Now, can these Protestants, Jews and Muslims and others be saved by God? That is up to Him. God is not bound by His Sacraments, we are.

Lionel:

 God is bound to the Sacraments according to the dogmatic teaching. The non Catholics are all on the way to Hell. They need the Sacraments for salvation.

'God is not bound to the Sacraments' (CCC 1257) comes from Cushingism, it comes from the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

The Letter assumed that there is salvation outside the Church and God was not bound to the Sacraments. Since it was assumed that there were cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water.This was the reasoning at Boston in the 1949 Fr. Leonard Feeney case.

But where are these cases of someone saved without the baptism of water ? Who has seen them? Who can see them on earth? Who saw them in 1949?

How could it be said that God is not limited to the Sacraments when we do not know the name of someone in the present times, saved outside the Church. How can we postulate there is salvation outside the Church, when there cannot be any known case? 

So when Cardinal Ratzinger says in the Catechism(1257) that 'God is not limited to the Sacraments' how can this speculation be related to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or even to CCC 1257 also saying 'the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water'. In other words Cardinal Ratzinger was saying all need the baptism of water for salvation but some do not (CCC 1257)?!

This was the original error in the 1949 Letter to the Archbishop of Boston. The first part of the Letter says all need to enter the Church for salvation and the second part says the baptism of desire etc are exceptions to all needing to enter the Church.This is contradictory. It is also irrational since there are no known cases of someone saved in Heaven without the baptism of water.

No one in the Church can say that St.Emerentiana, St. Victor or St. XYZ is Heaven without the baptism of water, before or after they died.The saints tell us some people have returned to earth only to be baptised with water. God did not send them to Hell but gave them a chance for some reason.So there are no exceptions to all needing the baptism of water to be Heaven.In Heaven there are only Catholics baptised who are baptised with water.

So if 'God is not limited to the Sacraments' theoretically, in reality, defacto it has nothing to do with the dogma and should not have been mentioned in the first place.

When Cardinal Ratzinger placed that line ( God is not limited to the Sacraments) in the Catechism  it is misleading. It supports the heresy of Cushingism.

Similarly the baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, allegedly without the baptism of water, should not have been mentioned in Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7 etc). Since these cases do not exist in our reality and they have no bearing on the dogma and the old ecclesiology on salvation.

 If one of these is saved, it is not because of their false religion, it is in spite of it and because of the grace that flows from the Catholic Church and Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. We cannot know who these are, who are saved or if in fact they will be.

Lionel:

We cannot know who these people are , who are saved or if in fact they will be saved says Vox Cantoris.

Yes! We cannot know ! Agreed!

We also cannot know when God is not limited to the Sacraments. We cannot meet any one who will be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.

So every one in 2015-2016 needs to enter the Church to avoid the fires of Hell.As Vox Cantoris says 'There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. No Protestants. No Jews. No Muslims, No Hindus. No Buddhists. No Mormans. No Jehovah's Witnesses. No animists, no atheists, no pagans. None will get to Heaven. All will go to Hell for all eternity'

 We can only give them to God in his Divine Mercy and the rest is up to Him.

Lionel: 

Yes we can pray for all and let people know  that the Catholic Church teaches in Vatican Council II that all people are on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism'( AG 7, LG 14) and they need to convert formally into the Church (with faith and baptism).

Pope Francis and Cardinal Muller cannot contradict this teaching in Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II supports the dogmatic teaching on exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

As Vox Cantoris says, 'there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. None will get to Heaven. All will go to Hell for all eternity. We cannot know if any one will be saved outside the Church.We cannot know who are saved outside the Church and who these people are. We cannot say if in fact any particular person will be saved. 

-Lionel Andrades

http://voxcantor.blogspot.it/2015/12/these-men-will-dialogue-straight-into.html