Traditionalists should make this clear today even if it means admitting that they and their religious leaders were wrong all these years

The Vatican Document on the Jews says it is not a magisterial document. So what, magisterial documents  state ' God is not limited to the Sacraments' (CCC 1257)  and 'all who are saved  are saved through Jesus and the Church' (CCC 846), implying all do not need to be formal members in the present times for salvation.

Similarly  the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which was an inter- office letter, from one bishop to another and was made magisterial by the liberals, placing it in the Denzinger, says ' that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.' In other words there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so it is not required for all to be incorporated into the Church with the baptism of water.

This is the magisterial teaching, this is the official interpretation of the dogma. This is the new doctrine ( since 1949) in the Catholic Church.
So to reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with alleged known exceptions in the present times, is magisterial.
If God is not limited to the Sacranments then why do Jews need to convert into the Catholic Church?  They don't!- according to this theology blessed by Pope Benedict XVI.
This is the new theology based on explicit exceptions to the dogma on salvation, which even Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops and priests have accepted .This theology, based on physically being able to see non Catholics in Heaven, without the baptism of water, forms the new ecclesiology which the FSSP priests  have to accept to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.

It is time for sedevacantists, traditionalists and those who love the Truth to annnounce that there are no known exceptions, there are no physically visible exceptions, to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, we cannot meet any one on the streets who will be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and nor can we see any one in Heaven saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. So there cannot be any exception to the old ecclesiology, there cannot be any exception to the Feeneyite version of the dogma, the traditional interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation.

When this rational announcement is made the magisterium will have to clarify its position on Catholic doctrine.

The Vatican then cannot say that we physically know people in 1915-1916 who are in Heaven without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.They cannot say that we know of  someone who will be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. This would be contrary to common sense. Since only God can SEE OR KNOW if there is someone who will be saved without 'faith and baptism'( AG 7, LG 14). We humans cannot SEE OR KNOW some one in 2015 who is an exception to the dogma.For someone to be an exception he or she has to be  seen and known TODAY, in the present time. We cannot say a saint of the past is an exception to the dogma TODAY.We cannot say that the Good Thief died without the baptism of water( as if we could know) and is an exception to the dogma TODAY.The dogma says all need to formally enter the Churh TODAY. All need the baptism of water which can only be given in the present time, today.

So it was wrong for the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to state' that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.' It IS ALWAYS REQUIRED that one be incorporated into the Church actually as a member and Pope Pius XII, Cardinal Francesco Marchetti, Cardinal Ottaviani and Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuists did not know of any exception. They could not know of any exception i.e someone saved outside the Church.

Traditionalists should make this clear today even if it means admitting that they and  their religious leaders were wrong all these years.

-Lionel Andrades

 

Here's an old announcemt which was ignored by the Vatican and which is still relevant today.

 

 

 

 

 

An announcement which can be made in 2015-2106 is:-

 

 

ATTENTION : Pope Francis,Vatican Curia, Press Office.

There are no known exceptions, there are no physically visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. We cannot meet any one on the streets who will be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.Nor  can we see any one in Heaven saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. So there cannot be any exceptions to the old ecclesiology.

There cannot be any exception to the Feeneyite version of the dogma, the traditional interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation.

 

So it was wrong for the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to state' that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.'

 

Holy Father, physically we cannot see  Catholics in Heaven, saved without the baptism of water.

 

So there cannot be any exception to the traditional, strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There cannot be any exception to the dogma in the text of Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

 

 

-Lionel Andrades