'the Church is the new people of God'
-Nostra Aetate 4,
Vatican Council II
To be fair, its not an official Church
document.
Lionel: Agreed.
However the official Church documents also use
Lionel: Agreed.
However the official Church documents also use
Cushingism as a theology.
Redemptoris Missio is Christocentric and not with
Redemptoris Missio is Christocentric and not with
an exclusivist ecclesiology. It is Jesus without the
necessity of
the Church.
It promotes a false ecumenism.
Similarly the Vatican Document on Jews is also
It promotes a false ecumenism.
Similarly the Vatican Document on Jews is also
says Jesus without
the necessity of membership in the Church for
the necessity of membership in the Church for
salvation.
For Cardinal Ratzinger, Feeneyism ( there are
For Cardinal Ratzinger, Feeneyism ( there are
no known
exceptions to the dogma EENS, no
explicit cases in our life time are
possible) was
rejected.He accepted Cushingism ( there are
rejected.He accepted Cushingism ( there are
known exceptions to
the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus, there are explicit
cases in
our life time and they are known
and visible exceptions to EENS).
It this way Cardinal Ratzinger interpreted
It this way Cardinal Ratzinger interpreted
Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance)
wih Cushingism. So Vatican Council II
becomes a break with the dogma EENS
and
the old ecclesiology. Since there is a
break with the old ecclesiology, magisterial
break with the old ecclesiology, magisterial
documents are no more ecclesiocentric.
Theologically there is no
exclusive
ecclesiology any more.
So for Cardinal Ratzinger there is a
So for Cardinal Ratzinger there is a
hermeneutic of rupture with reference
to Vatican Council II. There is also a
hermeneutic of rupture with the
interpretation of EENS.
I use Feeneyism so there is no such
I use Feeneyism so there is no such
problem. I accept Vatican Council
II interpreted with Feeeneyism( LG 16
II interpreted with Feeeneyism( LG 16
is not explicit and objective
for me) and there are no known
for me) and there are no known
exceptions to EENS.
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If you read the first paragraph, the preface, it actually says, "The
text is not a magisterial document or doctrinal teaching of the
Catholic Church..." Although it is a terrible text, thankfully this is
one of those times we can completely ignore it.
Lionel:
However we need to point out the
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If you read the first paragraph, the preface, it actually says, "The
text is not a magisterial document or doctrinal teaching of the
Catholic Church..." Although it is a terrible text, thankfully this is
one of those times we can completely ignore it.
Lionel:
However we need to point out the
underlying Cushing
theology.
It also cites Nostra Aetate 4 falsely.
It also cites Nostra Aetate 4 falsely.
There is no change in
theology
mentioned in NA 4. There is nothing
mentioned in NA 4. There is nothing
in the text.
In fact NA 4 says the very opposite
In fact NA 4 says the very opposite
of their Jewish Left propaganda.
It saya the Church is the new people
It saya the Church is the new people
of God. Theologically it means
Catholics are the new people of God,
Catholics are the new people of God,
they are the New Chosen people,
they have the Messiah, they are the
they have the Messiah, they are the
elect and of course outside the
Catholic Church there is no salvation.
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This "document" is like the modernist dream document that they wish
they could publish as an official teaching document, but was not
allowed to do so.Lionel:
But for all practical purposes, for
Catholic Church there is no salvation.
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This "document" is like the modernist dream document that they wish
they could publish as an official teaching document, but was not
allowed to do so.Lionel:
But for all practical purposes, for
the pope and
the Vatican Curia ,
it will be treated as a magisterial,
it will be treated as a magisterial,
official
document.
No one has contradicted or
No one has contradicted or
corrected it.Not even the
SSPX.
-Lionel Andrades
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-Lionel Andrades
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