The sedevacantist Most Holy Trinity seminary,Florida,USA criticizes Vatican Council II unaware of superflous passages in the Council, which should not have been placed there.These passages are not exceptions to the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) but they can be misunderstood and misinterpreted.The website of the seminary shows that these passages are misinterpreted.There is a mix up.Since what is invisible is considered visible.Implicit is seen as being explicit.Hypothetical cases are real. What is explicit for God only is seen as also being explicit for us.
For instance the following passages should not have been placed in Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14.
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus
Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter
into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to
Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith
without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6),..- Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by
Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved...
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be
incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With
love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own...- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II.
These passages are not exceptions to the preceding orthodox passages placed in Vatican Council II. Here are two orthodox passages in Vatican Council II which are in agreement with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the Syllabus of Errors.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching,
and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is
His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of
faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the
necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.- Ad Gentes 7
Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and
the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity
of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church,
for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.- Lumen Gentium 14.
These passages on those who are 'inculpably ignorant 'or those 'with an explicit intention to be incorporated' should not have been inserted in Vatican Council II. They are mentioned though, since Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani who issued the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumed there was salvation outside the Church. This Letter sent to the Archbishop of Boston ( who was later active at Vatican Council II) took it for granted that the baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are exceptions to the dogma EENS.In other words, these cases are explicit. He inferred that they were objective for him in 1949.
This was overlooked by three popes.Over the centuries Church documents only mentioned BOD and I.I, which reason tells us are implicit for us and known only to God. Since they are not objectively seen, they are not relevant to the dogma EENS which says every one needs to be a formal member of the Church to avoid Hell.
For Cardinal Richard Cushing, the Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits at Vatican Council II, these cases were explicit and so they penalised Fr.Leonard Feeney.They had him excommunicated for some 19 years.Even during Vatican Council II they did not lift the excommunication.The liberal Jesuits permanently expelled him.Since for the Jesuits there was known salvation outside the Church even though they personally did not know of any such case i.e someone saved without 'faith and baptism'.They contradicted their founder St.Ignatius of Loyola and the Jesuit missionaries. This was a break with the pre-1949 magisterium of the Church to which Fr.Leonard Feeney was faithful.
The Boston cardinal, the Jesuits and the Holy Office accepted the error of 1949 and we can see it expressed in so many passages of Vatican Council II.
Here are some:
This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy,
catholic and apostolic, (12*) which our Saviour, after His Resurrection,
commissioned Peter to shepherd,(74) and him and the other apostles to extend and
direct with authority,(75) which He erected for all ages as "the pillar and
mainstay of the truth".(76) This Church constituted and organized in the world
as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the
successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many
elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible
structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are
forces impelling toward catholic unity.-Lumen Gentium 8
11. The Church must be present in these groups through her children, who
dwell among them or who are sent to them. For all Christians, wherever they
live, are bound to show forth, by the example of their lives and by the witness
of the word, that new man put on at baptism and that power of the Holy Spirit by
which they have been strengthened at Conformation. Thus other men, observing
their good works, can glorify the Father (cf. Matt. ES:16) and can perceive more
fully the real meaning of human life and the universal bond of the community of
mankind.
In order that they may be able to bear more fruitful witness to Christ, let
them be joined to those men by esteem and love; let them acknowledge themselves
to be members of the group of men among whom they live; let them share in
cultural and social life by the various. undertakings and enterprises of human
living; let them be familiar with their national and religious traditions; let
them gladly and reverently lay bare the seeds of the Word which lie hidden among
their fellows.-Ad Gentes 11
The lines emphasised in the two passages above are based on the irrationality of the 1949 Letter of Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani to the Archbishop of Boston.These lines must not be considered as referring to defacto, objective cases in the present times. There are no objective cases ìn 2015 of non Catholics saved with 'elements of sanctification and of truth' or 'seeds of the Word' and without Catholic Faith with the baptism of water.
So it must not be assumed that Vatican Council II has brought a 'new revelation' in the Church, a 'new doctrine'.When reading Vatican Council II we have to be careful to keep in mind Cardinal Marchetti's error, his irrational premise ( dead-saved are visible on earth) and inference( they are known exceptions to EENS).Otherwise the Council will emerge as a new revelation, a revolution in the Church.
On the seminary webpage Fr.Anthony Cekada considers the baptism of desire as an exception to EENS and so criticizes Feeneyism.This is an indication that he interprets Vatican Council II as having exceptions to EENS.LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc would be explicit for him.So they would be exceptions to the dogma.
Bishop Donald Sanborn on the seminary website has a problem with Lumen Gentium.For him LG 8 ( subsist it) would indicate known persons saved outside the Church.UR 3 would be saying for him that there are Protestants saved without Catholic faith and they are known, explicit cases.So UR 3 would be a break with traditional ecumenism and the dogma EENS.
He is not careful. He does not read Vatican Council II aware of the Cardinal Marchetti error.
For me the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not explicit in 2015.This is something obvious. LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc do not refer to known cases, seen in the flesh. This would be obvious to all who reasoned it out.So Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS or the Syllabus of Errors.-Lionel Andrades
So it must not be assumed that Vatican Council II has brought a 'new revelation' in the Church, a 'new doctrine'.When reading Vatican Council II we have to be careful to keep in mind Cardinal Marchetti's error, his irrational premise ( dead-saved are visible on earth) and inference( they are known exceptions to EENS).Otherwise the Council will emerge as a new revelation, a revolution in the Church.
On the seminary webpage Fr.Anthony Cekada considers the baptism of desire as an exception to EENS and so criticizes Feeneyism.This is an indication that he interprets Vatican Council II as having exceptions to EENS.LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc would be explicit for him.So they would be exceptions to the dogma.
Bishop Donald Sanborn on the seminary website has a problem with Lumen Gentium.For him LG 8 ( subsist it) would indicate known persons saved outside the Church.UR 3 would be saying for him that there are Protestants saved without Catholic faith and they are known, explicit cases.So UR 3 would be a break with traditional ecumenism and the dogma EENS.
He is not careful. He does not read Vatican Council II aware of the Cardinal Marchetti error.
For me the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not explicit in 2015.This is something obvious. LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc do not refer to known cases, seen in the flesh. This would be obvious to all who reasoned it out.So Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS or the Syllabus of Errors.-Lionel Andrades
Sedevantist seminary Most Holy Trinity's theology uses the irrational premise and inference to interpret Lumen Gentium, Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/5.html
Most Rev. Donald Sanborn, Fr. Cekada, Fr. Joseph Selway, Fr. Nicolas Désposito, Rev. Julian Larrabee.- ALL SILENT
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