Sunday, August 9, 2015

Do you know someone in Heaven this year who went there and still is there without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water?

Wow, Lionel are you serious? VCII is rampant with pronouncements that you do NOT need to be a card carrying member to possibly enter Heaven. Father Feeney denied these conditions of sanctity could even exist.


A. 840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Lionel:
Are you saying this refers to a known case and so is an exception to EENS?

842 The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:

All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

THEY WOULD NOT BE CARD CARRYING MEMBERS
Lionel:
Who are they?
They are unknown cases in 2015.
Speculative cases cannot be exceptions to all needing to be card carrying members of the Church in 2015.

B. 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

THEY WOULD NOT BE CARD CARRYING MEMBERS
Immagine correlata
Lionel:
Do you know someone in Heaven this year who went there and still is there without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water?
Do you know any one saved with invincible ignorance?
So are these exceptions to EENS referred to here?.

C. Catechumens, Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood souls who ARE in Heaven WOULD NOT BE CARD
    CARRYING MEMBERS

Lionel:
Do you know of a BOD case in 2015?
So if there are no such cases then there are no exceptions to EENS in 2015.
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 Every instance above depicts souls who might be incorporated into the Catholic Church whether we see them or not.

Lionel:
Yes you can speculate. But be aware of the speculation.
I will not speculate.

But it is the duty of Catholics to teach ALL that they must be card carrying members in order to attain Salvation.

Lionel:
Yes.Since the Catechism (above) can be interpreted as such.
-Lionel Andrades

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