Tuesday, June 2, 2015

Would Vatican Council II be anti-Semitic for Pope Francis and Robert Spencer if Marchetti's model is not used ?



Pope Francis says if he does not recognise the state of Israel it would be anti-Semitic.Would it also be anti-Semitic if he affimed the Bible, Tradition and pre-1949 Magisterium and said all Jews and Muslims are oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II ?  According to the pre-1949 Magisterium there was no conflict between (A) being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and (B) the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Feeneyite version.
So if A does not contradict B, if they are not in conflict, then there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Tradition and the pre-1949 Magisterium.Then it would mean that Vatican Council II says all Jews and Muslims need 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14) to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.Would this be anti-Semitic?
Presently, the contemporary magisterium interprets a Vatican Council II in which A is in conflict with B.So A is a break with Tradition and the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So Vatican Council II is interpreted as changing Church teachings on other religions and ecumenism.This is the 1949 Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani model.
If the Marchetti model is not used A does not contradict B , they both exist, A refers to theoretical cases, hypothetical for us and known only to God.B refers to defacto cases in the present times, who need visible- for- us Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.So theoretical A and objective B do not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction.This is the traditional approach to this issue.
If the traditional model is used, and not Marchetti's, then A is recognised as not being objective, explicit and visible in the flesh.It does not exist in our reality.What does not resist in our reality cannot be an exception to all needing to formally enter the Church to avoid Hell.It cannot be an exception to anything.
The Marchetti model which Pope Francis and the Jesuits use is irrational.It assumes that A refers to cases which are explicit and objective for us.So they become exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church today, with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7,LG 14).
If Robert Spencer held this rational view would it be considered anti-Semitic ? Would it be anti-Semitic for the pope?
The Jewish Left media and political and social institutions are using Marchetti's model in the interpretation of Vatican Council II in which A conflicts with B.
For me Vatican Council II is in agreement with the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which Pope Pius XII called an 'infallible teaching' in the first part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, which supported Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.
-Lionel Andrades

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