The Fathers do not say that BOD and BOB are physically known to us in the present times to be exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church for salvation.

Introibo Ad Altare DeiJune 25, 2015 at 12:30 PM

The same catholic Encyclopedia states:
"The Fathers and theologians frequently divide baptism into three kinds: the baptism of water (aquæ or fluminis), the baptism of desire (flaminis), and the baptism of blood (sanguinis). However, only the first is a real sacrament. The latter two are denominated baptism only analogically, inasmuch as they supply the principal effect of baptism, namely, the grace which remits sins. It is the teaching of the Catholic Church that when the baptism of water becomes a physical or moral impossibility, eternal life may be obtained by the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood. "

Lionel:

The Fathers do not say that BOD and BOB are physically known to us in the preseent times to be exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church for salvation.

They do not say that we can meet these cases in real life and so they are examples of salvation outside the Church i.e people saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic.

Liberal theologians and Cardinal Francesco Selvaggiani Marchetti MADE THE CONNECTION. They made the IRRATIONAL LINK. 

They assumed that these cases were known in real life and so were exceptions to traditional EENS.

You and I today are not obliged to make the same mistake as Marchetti and Cushing.

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Were the authors schizophrenic? Obviously, they are compatible, and the older sources confirm that only catechumens who were not baptized by virtue of their neglect or contempt.

As to Pope Pius IX, you're correct insofar as divine light and grace come to humans through baptism, or in the words of the Council of Trent "the DESIRE THEREOF." 

Lionel:

Again Trent only mentions 'the desire theorof'.The text does not say that these cases were explicit or were were exceptions to traditional EENS. 

The liberal theologians inferred there were exceptions. They inferred that the baptism of desire was related to EENS.

The sedevantists are following the same error. It is a factual error. We cannot see or know BOD or BOB cases this month. If they existed they would only be known to God.

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Moreover, check out the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X which expressly teaches BOD and BOB. Feeneyites have tried desperately to show he didn't write it--but he GAVE HIS FORMAL APPROVAL. That would make him, like Pope Benedict XV, a heretic. 

Lionel:

Mentioning BOB and BOD is not a problem. The error arises when you assume these cases are not hypothetical but de facto known, they are not invisible for us but visible for us . Visible BOD cases in New York?

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None of this really matters. Because you, George, know more than St. Thomas, St. Alphonsus, all the pre-Vatican II theologians, all the pre-Vatican II catechisms, and thereby reject the Ordinary Magisterium--and come under the condemnation of the Syllabus of Errors #22, seeking to obey only infallible pronouncements of the Pontiffs. Pity.

Lionel:

I hope George like IAAD does not assume BOD and BOB refer to known cases in our reality for them to be exceptions to the dogma. I hope George just accepts BOB and BOD cases and does not lnki them to EENS.

Otherwise the discussion would be over non existent persons and over these non existent persons a new theology would be created which would be welcomed by the Left.-Lionel Andrades