Those who are saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not outside the Church, they are saved with the baptism of water in the Catholic Church

Those who are saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not outside the Church, they are saved with the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. We do not know any such case in the present times. These are theoretical cases and are not defacto known. Objectively they cannot be seen in 2015.So LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to salvation within the Church.

The Catholic traditionalists must not consider these cases as salvation outside the Catholic Church, outside the visible boundaries of the Church.

Since 1) we do not personally know any such case ( saved without faith and baptism, saved without being a formal member of the Church, 2) no magisterial document before 1949 makes this claim and 3) the dogma says all need to be formal members of the Church with no exceptions, for salvation.

So outside the Church there is no salvation, according to Vatican Council II.

-Lionel Andrades