Tuesday, April 7, 2015

Fr.John Zuhlsdorf repeats Marchetti's error on the baptism of blood

ASK FATHER: Miscarried babies and heaven


From a reader…
QUAERITUR:
Does a miscarriage baby go to heaven if not baptized?
One of God’s greatest attributes is His mercy. We read in the letter of James 2:13, that mercy triumphs over judgment. Mercy is a reflection of His being Almighty.
We know that, in justice, none of us deserves heaven. The sin of Adam and Eve broke our friendship with God. In justice, we stand condemned.
But God, in His mercy, sent His Son to suffer and die for us and to pay the price of Adam’s sin. Jesus Christ unlocked the gate to heaven and showed us the way to ascend to the destiny that our first parents lost. He told us that the way we follow Him, the narrow path set out for our salvation, includes baptism. In baptism we become members of His divine family and of His Body. Through baptism, we once again gain the opportunity to go to heaven.
We know with firm faith in what He has revealed that we know that baptism is necessary for salvation.
Lionel:
Fr.Zuhlsdorf does not mean this in the dogmatic sense.Since he rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The dogma is also rejected by the contemporary magisterium.It would also be rejected in the diocese in which Fr.Z  is incardinated.
So for him being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma. This is the politically correct, 'developed' version of the dogma.It comes from Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani's objective mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.The confusion has been adopted by the Catechism of the Catholic Church in 1257 and Fr.Z is trying to adapt to it.
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The Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257 states:
“The Lord himself affirms that baptism is necessary for salvation [John 3:5]. . . . Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament (Mark 16:16)”.
 Lionel:
The baptism of water is necessary for salvation and it must be received in the Catholic Church. Formal entry into the Church is necessary for salvation.This was the teaching of three Church Councils.Ad Gentes 7 repeats it when it says all need faith and baptism for salvation. However CCC 1257 also contradicts the dogma when it says 'God is not limited to the Sacraments.' Cardinal Marchetti did not know any one who was saved outside the Church i.e without faith and baptism. Neither did any pre-1949 Church document state that there were exceptions to the dogma or that there were known cases of persons saved without faith and baptism. This was all wrongly inferred by cardinals Marchetti and Cushing(1949).Mystici Corporis, Council of Trent etc do not mention any exceptions.
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This is a normative necessity. It is not absolute in the sense that exceptions are not possible. We can’t place limitations on what God can do.
 
Lionel:
There are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since we humans cannot know of any exception. Even if an exception was possible, as Fr. Z says, it would be known only to God and so would not be an exception to all needing to formally enter the Church this April 2015, to avoid Hell.
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And so we also know, with the same firm faith in revelation, that God is also merciful.
What happens to those who are not baptized, including infants and all those who never even had a chance to be baptized? We don’t know.
Lionel:
We do not know if Limbo is more like Heaven and less Hell. We can only hope. We don't know.



International Theological Commission lie http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/international-theological-commission-lie.html
 
INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO
 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission_29.html

The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commissions.html

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission.html

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vatican-council-ii-rejects-theology-of.html

Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/secretary-of-international-theological.html#links 

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This fact can cause us some discomfort, especially in families grieving the loss of an unbaptized child. This discomfort also felt by converts who were the first in their family to hear and accept the love of Christ into their hearts. They think back to deceased loved ones who never had a chance to hear the Gospel.
But we know that God is merciful.
Can he bring to heaven someone who is unbaptized? YES, no question about that. On the Cross, Christ said to the unbaptized Good Thief, “this day you will be with Me in paradise.” Can he bring to heaven our beloved children – born and unborn – who are not baptized? Yes.
How does He do this without baptism? We don’t know, but He most certainly can.
He tells us clearly that baptism is essential. We should have no doubt of that fact. This knowledge should make us strive to bring all those we love to the grace of the baptismal font.
God is merciful.
Again, the Catechism of the Catholic Church states (cf. CCC 1260–1, 1283):
“Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, are saved even if they have not been baptized.”
Lionel:
This is Cardinal Marchetti's error. He assumed that those saved with the baptism of blood ( martrydom) referred to known cases in 1949.In other words:-
1)He knew someone who was a martyr and was saved without the baptism of water.
2)He could see someone on earth who was a martyr in Heaven and so was there without the baptism of water in 1949.
3) He knew someone in 1949 who would die as a martyr and without the baptism of water and he would be in Heaven.
 Someone like the Good Thief on the Cross was an exception to all needing faith and baptism for salvation in the present times. Even though this was an event that happened centuries back.
 So with this typical and common irrational reason, for Cardinal Marchetti, there were known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.
Cardinal Marchetti used an irrational premise/proposition ( i.e those saved with the baptism of blood are personally known, and seen in Heaven) to reach a non traditional inference ( these visible cases on earth of the deceased martyrs, are explicit exceptions to the Feeneyite version of the dogma.The visible-dead exceptions! So for him, all did  not need to formally enter the Church as it was taught in the past.
Fr.John Zuhlsdorf makes the same irrational inference here.He infers that 'those who die for the faith' are personally known on earth and so are exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church for salvation. He infers ' those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will'  are personally known to him in the USA.He could meet them on the streets and shake their hands. For him they 'are saved even if they have not been baptized.' So when John 3: 5 says all need the baptism of water for salvation Fr.Z says "No .There are known exceptions. Not all."
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The salvation of unbaptized infants is also possible, in God’s great mercy.
Even as we thank God for all the gifts He gives us, give Him also your cares and questions, always gratefully and with tear-tinged joy asking for mercy and graces for all your loved ones. We look forward to our joyous reunion in the life to come.
-Lionel Andrades 
 
Fr.John Zuhlsdorf interprets Vatican Council II with Marchetti's theory so the Council for him is ambigous and a break with extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/frjohn-zuhlsdorf-interprets-vatican.html

 February 3, 2015
Rorate Caeili and Fr.Zuhlsdorf's interpretations are politically correct
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/rorate-caeili-and-frzuhlsdorfs.html

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