There has been no denial from Fr. Joseph Kramer, the Pastor of the FSSP Church in Rome to the Rome. I e-mailed him yesterday the post on this blog.1
The Pastor at the church Santissima dei Pelligrini parish in Rome ( Mobile: +39.348.93 53 936 Email: kramer@fssp.it ), where the Traditional Latin Mass is offered is not allowed to proclaim the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.He has to present the 'developed' version of the dogma using the three irrational points. This is the acceptable interpretation of the dogma by the magisteriuim in Rome. They use Cardinal Marchetti Selvaggiani's irrational premise and inference to re-interpret the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Church.
The Fraternity Priestly Society of St.Peter (FSSP) are not being allowed to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, and so they cannot say that most people are oriented to the fires of Hell in 2015 according to the dogma. Since they interpret the dogma on salvation and Vatican Council II with the three irrational points, they cannot also say that Vatican Council II indicates most people are on the path to Hell at the time of death.They do not have 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7).
Similarly they are not allowed to say that Vatican Council II tells us that Hinduism, Judaism, Islam and the other 'great religions' are not paths to salvation (AG 7) and their members need to convert into the Church to go to Heaven and avoid the fires of Hell.2
Similarly they are not allowed to say that Vatican Council II tells us that Hinduism, Judaism, Islam and the other 'great religions' are not paths to salvation (AG 7) and their members need to convert into the Church to go to Heaven and avoid the fires of Hell.2
Here are the three irrational points FSSP priests use to interpret Magisterial documents.
1.Someone in the past is an exception to the dogma on March 20,2015.
2.Someone living will be an exception to the dogma today since he will be saved without faith and baptism.As if we can know!
3.Someone in Heaven is an exception to the dogma on earth.As if we can see people in Heaven.This is the dead-man walking theory!
So they are unable to answer these TWO QUESTIONS:
TWO QUESTIONS
1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2014 ?
2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible for us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or Ad Gentes 7 which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation ?
At the Santissima dei Pelligrini church in Rome they are permitted to offer the Traditional Latin Mass but without Church doctrine.
-Lionel Andrades
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FSSP priests in Rome not allowed to affirm Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus without three irrational points: no denial from religious community
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A young Korean artist taken to Hell. Drew pictures of it.
A young Korean artist taken to Hell. Drew pictures of it.
The entrance it seems to me was similar to a very long and narrow alleyway, like an oven, low and dark and confined; the floor seemed to me to consist of dirty, muddy water emitting foul stench and swarming with putrid vermin...The bodily pains were so unbearable that though I had suffered excruciating ones in this life and according to what doctors say, the worst that can be suffered on earth for all my nerves were shrunken when I was paralyzed, plus many other sufferings of many kinds that I endured and even some as I said, caused by the devil, these were all nothing in comparison with the ones I experienced there...-St.Teresa of Avila's description of Hell.
http://www.tldm.org/news6/hell3.htm
These are the Tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings.
There are special Tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings related to the manner in which it has sinned.
I would have diedThere are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me...-St.Faustina Kowalska's description of Hell.
I would have diedThere are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me...-St.Faustina Kowalska's description of Hell.
http://www.divinemercysunday.com/vision.htm
"Then I was pushed into one of those fiery cavities and pressed, as it were, between burning planks, and sharp nails and red-hot irons seemed to be piercing my flesh."
Here Josefa repeated the multiple tortures from which no single member of the body is excluded:
"I felt as if they were endeavoring to pull out my tongue, but could not. This torture reduced me to such agony that my very eyes seemed to be starting out of their sockets. I think this was because of the fire which burns, burns... not a finger-nail escapes terrifying torments, and all the time one cannot move even a finger to gain some relief, nor change posture, for the body seems flattened out and yet doubled in two.- Sr.Joseph Menendez's description of Hell.
Second Circle (Lust)
In the second circle of Hell are those overcome by lust. Dante condemns these "carnal malefactors"[ for letting their appetites sway their reason. They are the first ones to be truly punished in Hell. These souls are blown back and forth by the terrible winds of a violent storm, without rest. This symbolizes the power of lust to blow one about needlessly and aimlessly.
In this circle, Dante sees Semiramis, Dido, Cleopatra, Helen of Troy, Achilles, Paris, Tristan, and many others who were overcome by sexual love during their life. Dante is told by Francesca da Rimini how she and her husband's brother Paolo Malatesta committed adultery, but then died a violent death, in the name of Love, at the hands of her husband, Giovanni (Gianciotto). Francesca reports that their act of adultery was triggered by reading the adulterous story of Lancelot and Guinevere (an episode sculpted by Auguste Rodin in The Kiss). Nevertheless, she predicts that her husband will be punished for his fratricide in Caïna, within the ninth circle (Canto V).
In this circle, Dante sees Semiramis, Dido, Cleopatra, Helen of Troy, Achilles, Paris, Tristan, and many others who were overcome by sexual love during their life. Dante is told by Francesca da Rimini how she and her husband's brother Paolo Malatesta committed adultery, but then died a violent death, in the name of Love, at the hands of her husband, Giovanni (Gianciotto). Francesca reports that their act of adultery was triggered by reading the adulterous story of Lancelot and Guinevere (an episode sculpted by Auguste Rodin in The Kiss). Nevertheless, she predicts that her husband will be punished for his fratricide in Caïna, within the ninth circle (Canto V).
Alse see Dante's experience in Hell (Divine Comedy-Inferno)
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