Wednesday, February 18, 2015

The SSPX must identify the Marchetti error and reject it. They have to make a common sense statement

 
 
Steve Skojec :
As an institution, they (SSPX)  do not hold a single theological position that is not clearly and unequivocally Catholic. They cannot be condemned because of their theology – it is simply not possible to show it to be in error.
Lionel:
In 1949 Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani made an objective error upon which he created a new theology. This irrational theology has been accepted by the Magisterium and the liberals - but also by the Society of St.Pius X.
The liberals use the irrational premise of Cardinal Marchetti to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition and so they accept the Council with the irrational inference.
The SSPX also uses the irrational premise of Cardinal Marchetti to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition and  they reject the Council with the irrational inference.
I ,Lionel, do not use the irrational premise of Cardinal Marchetti to interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So the Council is NOT a break with extra ecclesiam nulla salus. I accept Vatican Council II interpreted without the irrational inference.
 
The hermeneutic of continuity or rupture in the interpretation of Vatican Council II depends on the use or omission of the irrational premise from Marchetti's letter.





February 17, 2015

The two hermeneutics depend on the use or omission of the irrational premise from Marchetti's letter http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/the-two-hermenutics-depend-on-use-or.html


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 Steve Skojec :
And yet…and yet they are what the Church was before it abandoned its patrimony.
Lionel :
They have accepted the Marchetti Inference. This is not what the Church was before 1949. They have changed the dogma on salvation with alleged exceptions. For them being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are objective exceptions in 2015 to all needing the baptism of water and Catholic Faith. They have mixed up what is accepted in principle ( baptism of desire etc) as being a defacto case, in the present times.The same irrational reasoning is used with reference to Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance), Unitatitis Redintigratio 3(  imperfect communion with the Church), Ad Gentes 11( seeds of the Word ) , Nostra Aetate ( a ray of the Truth) etc. They are inferred to be defacto, known cases in 2015.
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 Steve Skojec :
They give every appearance that they are doing their best to be faithful to an authentic Catholicism. Should any of us be surprised that there are many in the Vatican who want to keep them as far away as possible, and keep us confused and wary about them in the process?
Lionel:
The Vatican wants to keep them as far away as possibile since the SSPX correctly reject Vatican Council II interpreted with the Marchetti premise.The Vatican interprets the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also Vatican Councl II in a heretical way.
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  Steve Skojec :
They represent, to Rome at least, the sort of problem that would by its very solution create more problems than it alleviates. Thus, I cannot accept that the confusion surrounding them is entirely an accident. Too many contradictions in official statements exist; too many distinctions without differences are made. Meanwhile, nothing moves forward, and the majority of Catholics associate all traditionalists with the black legend of SSPX schism.
Lionel:
The leftist main stream media want the SSPX to interpret Vatican Council II with the Marchetti error. Then the Council becomes a break with Tradition. They are not doing it. So they are called reactionary etc.
Even though they make this error with Vatican Council II and the Marchetti error in general, the SSPX affirms Tradition. So they also affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Tradition. This is their confusing position. According to Tradition they affirm the dogma and with the 1949 theology  they reject it.
They offer the Traditional Latin Mass with the traditional dogma. So they are called reactionary and schismatic by the mainstream media.
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  Steve Skojec :
What do you think?
Lionel:
I think the SSPX must identify the Marchetti error and reject it. They have to make a common sense statement. They must say that we cannot see on earth persons who are now in Heaven in 2015.Cases of the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance are not known and physcally visible to us on earth in 2015. So there are no known exceptions in 2015 to the traditional strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Church Councils, the popes and saints.There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the rigorist interpretation of the defined dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.LG 16,LG 8,NA 2,UR 3 etc refer to possibilities only. They are known only to God . So they do not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. LG 16 etc do not contradict Ad Gentes 7 nor the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The magisterium made an objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and in the criticism of the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
-Lionel Andrades
 

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