Marchetti’s false premise has been accepted by the Magisterium

George:
Lionel, there many good points in your comment but a bit over-stated. The only path to salvation is the Church which is inseparable from Christ.
Lionel:
Salvation is inseparable from Christ and his Church. All need to enter the Church with ‘faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7) for salvation , to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
This was also the traditional teaching of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Cantate Domino , Council of Florence 1441)
So when I say that all need to be formal members of the Church ( with faith and baptism) I am citing Vatican Council II and the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
The Nicene Creed also says ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgivessness of sins’.
In a controversial passage the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257 also says the Church knows of no means to eternal beatiude other than the baptism of water. This indicates that there are millions on the path to Hell who die every day without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.
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Formal membership is the surest path, supported by the truth and sacraments.
Lionel:
It is the only path.
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Yet, the Church does NOT teach that Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus absolutely requires formal membership, as indisputably advantageous as that is.
Lionel:
The Magisterium does not teach it because of the Marchetti Inference, the false premise used in the interpretation of the dogma .
Cardinal Francesco Marchetti in the Leter of the Holy Office assumed there was salvation outside the Church and so the dogma was superseded. He assumed that the baptism of desire etc were exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.
We now know that he made a factual mistake. We do not know any one in 2015 who is going to be saved or is saved with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water. These cases are in Heaven. So how can they be explicit exceptions on earth to the dogma ?
Marchetti’s false premise on the dead, who are now in Heaven saved with the baptism of desire and who are explicit for us on earth, to be exceptions, has been accepted by the Magisterium.
It is irrational.
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Rather, the Church Christ founded works, in a diminished fashion (less effectively to be sure), outside of its formal boundaries.
Lionel:
If someone was saved outside the visible boundaries of the Church, without faith and baptism, we woud not know. Marchetti did not know. Only God can know. So this case would not be relevant or an exception to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II and Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441.
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Fr. Feeney was wrong, excommunicated because of it and recanted. I wrote about this 5 years ago in Only Catholics go to heaven?.
Lionel:
There are only Catholics in Heaven according to Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the dogma on exclusive salvation.
This was also Fr.Leonard Feeney’s position.
So how could he be wrong when we do not know any exceptions and no magisterial document before 1949 says there are exceptions to the dogma? Mystici Corporis and the Council of Trent for example, only mention persons who could be saved with the baptism of desire etc. They are possibilities. It is not said that these cases are visible and known to us to be exceptions to the dogma. Nor it is direcetly said that they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation. So all this was inferred wrongly wrongly by Cardinal Marchetti and the Archdiocese of Boston.

Fr.Feeney never recanted. How could he deny the dogma? Where are the exceptions? Do you know of anyone in the present times i.e someone who is saved or going to be saved without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.
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To be clear, this is not a universalist position.
Lionel:
Salvation is open for all in potential, Christ died for all but to receive this salvation all need to be formal members of the Church.(Dominus Iesus 20 etc).
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Christ and His Church are one and the only path to salvation.
Lionel:
Yes and all need to be formal members for salvation.There are no defacto exceptions. I cannot meet someone on the streets of Rome for example who will be saved with the baptism of desire.I cannot say that someone in particular will be saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water.
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Other Christian churches are certainly not equivalent, equal paths.
Lionel:
According to Cantate Dominio, other Christians are on the path to the fires of Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church.
They do not have Catholic Faith (AG 7). They do not have access to the Sacraments and fhe faith and moral teachings of the Church.
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Salvation for those not baptized is even more problematic (relying on baptism by desire, and in rare cases by blood).
Lionel:
All need the baptism of water for salvation( CCC 1257) if God is not limited to the Sacraments (CCC 1257) in a particular case, we would not know.
-Lionel Andrades
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Parts of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and the Catechism of the Catholic Church do affirm the dogma according to Fr.Leonard Feeney
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/parts-of-letter-of-holy-office-1949-and.html

February 28, 2015
The Magisterium promotes heresy for political reasons ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/the-magisterium-promotes-heresy-for.html

http://www.convertjournal.com/2015/02/make-disciples-of-all-nations/#comment-1650