I have received an e-mail citing the great Fr. Frederick William Faber.
The Precious Blood or The Price of Our Salvation
By Frederick William Faber DD,( pp. 92 & 93 )
(Fr. Frederick Faber (1814-1863): convert to Catholicism from the Anglican ecclesial community, poet and songwriter (ie. Faith of our Fathers)
" If the precious Blood had been shed, and yet we had no priesthood, no sacraments, no sacramentals, no jurisdiction, no mystical life of the visible unity of the Church----life so it seems, would be almost intolerable. This is the condition of those outside the Church; and certainly as we grow older, as our experience widens, as our knowledge of ourselves deepens, as our acquaintance with mankind increases, the less hopeful do our ideas become regarding the salvation of those outside the Roman Church. we make the most we can of the uncovenanted mercies of God, of the invisible soul of the Church, of the teaching of invincible ignorance, of the easiness of making acts of contrition, and of the visible moral goodness among men; and YET what are these but straws in our own estimation; if our own chances of salvation had to lean their weight upon them? They wear out or they break down. They are fearfully counterweighted by other considerations. We have to
draw on our imaginations in order to fill up the picture. They are but theories at best, theories unhelpful except to console those who are forward to be deceived for the sake of those they love,-- theories often very fatal by keeping our charity in check and interfering with that restlessness of converting love in season and out of seasons, and that impetuous agony of prayer, upon which God may have made the salvation of our friends depend. Alas ! the more familiar we ourselves become with the operations of grace, the further we advance into the spiritual life, the more we meditate on the character of God, and taste in contemplation the savor of his holiness, the more to our eyes does grace magnify itself inside the Church, and the more dense and forlorn becomes the darkness which is spread over those outside...... Would not the divine assurance of our salvation be a very heaven begun on earth? Yet the sacraments are the nearest approach to such a sweet assurance as the love of our heavenly Father saw to be expedient for the multitude of his children..... In truth, no created intelligence of angel or of man could have imagined it."
Pages 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231 & 232
" Hence it follows that all true devotion to the Precious Blood MUST be accompanied by a hearty devotion to the Church. Heresies, which have done despite to the Precious Blood by narrowing its sphere or by limiting its prodigality, have also been distinguished by want of loyalty to the Church. In ALL times we have seen that those who take a rigid view about the easiness of salvation ALSO take a lax view about the exclusive privileges of communion with the Church; while on the other hand, those who dwell more strongly on the doctrine of EXCLUSIVE SALVATION in the true Church are also most given to magnify the abundance of redeeming grace within its pale. At first sight it seems a strange inconsistency, that those who make it hard to be saved in the Church should make it comparatively easy to be saved out of it. ...... Yet so it is that a light esteem of the overwhelming advantages of the Church, and a want of appreciation of the sacraments, go along with
the most rigid and harsh views regarding the easiness of salvation and the number of the saved; and these errors go together for want of a true and tender devotion to the Precious Blood. The doctrine of the Sacraments is the touchstone of all theology of the day."
"Now that the world is overrun with heresy, and that in social life almost all distinctions between the faithful and others are obliterated, it is convenient to men's ease and acceptable to their cowardice to regard the faith as one of many saving options, and the church as one of many saving institutions." `
"The Church is a kingdom, not a literature--a life, not a congeries of doctrines; it is a rule and a sovereignty , a royalty which belongs to the Royalty of the Precious Blood. We MUST look at the Church habitually as the sole ark in the deluge of the world, the sole mistress of Salvation. We do not bind God further than he has been pleased to bind himself. We do not limit the far reaching excesses of His mercy. But we MUST remember that his ordinary law is, that there is no Salvation whatever outside the Roman Church......No near approaches, no sensible devotions, no felt actual graces, will make a man a living member of Jesus Christ, without communion with the Holy See. We must be jealous of the uncompromising simplicity of this old-fashioned doctrine. We must be suspicious of all the fine words and specious theories, and ingenious abatements, which the spirit of the day would suggest. We must be misled by no circumstances of TIME or place, by no prevalence of heresy, by no arguments drawn from consequences, which are the affair of God's government of the world...not ours."
" The sins of men cannot change the truth of God. They are at His mercy, not He at theirs. In the days of the antichrist, when two-thirds even of the faithful shall fall away from the Church, their apostasy will not make it less the exclusive mistress of Salvation. We must be loyal to the church in our least thoughts of it, nor even talk lightly of its majesty. We must put faith in it in all its contracts and concussions with the world, and in all its contradictions of the assumed grandeur of this nineteenth century, which is more than half spent, and has done nothing yet to justify its boasting, We must not measure the Church by unsupernatural standards, which it is the world's great object to persuade us to do .We must not be ashamed of it because it holds back when it seems grander to go forward. We must not be discontented with it when its action intersects some little favorite anticipations of our own. we must merge our own selves and our own views in its consciously or unconsciously Spirit Guided policy. When we are perplexed, we must stand still and believe. Silence makes us great-hearted and judging makes us little minded, We must like its ways, as well as obey its precepts and believe its doctrines. We must not theorize; for if we once begin to theorize, we shall soon come to sneer. A mind NOT under authority always lies under a necessity of being pert. When the Church suffers, or souls suffer, we must not be content with the selfish consolation that, after all, the Church is eternal, and MUST conquer in the long run; but we must have an active sympathy with all its present vicissitudes, and an untiring zeal and unquenchable thirst for souls; and the Salvation of souls is a matter of the present; it cannot wait for the future, because men are dying daily."
END
By Frederick William Faber DD,( pp. 92 & 93 )
(Fr. Frederick Faber (1814-1863): convert to Catholicism from the Anglican ecclesial community, poet and songwriter (ie. Faith of our Fathers)
" If the precious Blood had been shed, and yet we had no priesthood, no sacraments, no sacramentals, no jurisdiction, no mystical life of the visible unity of the Church----life so it seems, would be almost intolerable. This is the condition of those outside the Church; and certainly as we grow older, as our experience widens, as our knowledge of ourselves deepens, as our acquaintance with mankind increases, the less hopeful do our ideas become regarding the salvation of those outside the Roman Church. we make the most we can of the uncovenanted mercies of God, of the invisible soul of the Church, of the teaching of invincible ignorance, of the easiness of making acts of contrition, and of the visible moral goodness among men; and YET what are these but straws in our own estimation; if our own chances of salvation had to lean their weight upon them? They wear out or they break down. They are fearfully counterweighted by other considerations. We have to
draw on our imaginations in order to fill up the picture. They are but theories at best, theories unhelpful except to console those who are forward to be deceived for the sake of those they love,-- theories often very fatal by keeping our charity in check and interfering with that restlessness of converting love in season and out of seasons, and that impetuous agony of prayer, upon which God may have made the salvation of our friends depend. Alas ! the more familiar we ourselves become with the operations of grace, the further we advance into the spiritual life, the more we meditate on the character of God, and taste in contemplation the savor of his holiness, the more to our eyes does grace magnify itself inside the Church, and the more dense and forlorn becomes the darkness which is spread over those outside...... Would not the divine assurance of our salvation be a very heaven begun on earth? Yet the sacraments are the nearest approach to such a sweet assurance as the love of our heavenly Father saw to be expedient for the multitude of his children..... In truth, no created intelligence of angel or of man could have imagined it."
Pages 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231 & 232
" Hence it follows that all true devotion to the Precious Blood MUST be accompanied by a hearty devotion to the Church. Heresies, which have done despite to the Precious Blood by narrowing its sphere or by limiting its prodigality, have also been distinguished by want of loyalty to the Church. In ALL times we have seen that those who take a rigid view about the easiness of salvation ALSO take a lax view about the exclusive privileges of communion with the Church; while on the other hand, those who dwell more strongly on the doctrine of EXCLUSIVE SALVATION in the true Church are also most given to magnify the abundance of redeeming grace within its pale. At first sight it seems a strange inconsistency, that those who make it hard to be saved in the Church should make it comparatively easy to be saved out of it. ...... Yet so it is that a light esteem of the overwhelming advantages of the Church, and a want of appreciation of the sacraments, go along with
the most rigid and harsh views regarding the easiness of salvation and the number of the saved; and these errors go together for want of a true and tender devotion to the Precious Blood. The doctrine of the Sacraments is the touchstone of all theology of the day."
"Now that the world is overrun with heresy, and that in social life almost all distinctions between the faithful and others are obliterated, it is convenient to men's ease and acceptable to their cowardice to regard the faith as one of many saving options, and the church as one of many saving institutions." `
"The Church is a kingdom, not a literature--a life, not a congeries of doctrines; it is a rule and a sovereignty , a royalty which belongs to the Royalty of the Precious Blood. We MUST look at the Church habitually as the sole ark in the deluge of the world, the sole mistress of Salvation. We do not bind God further than he has been pleased to bind himself. We do not limit the far reaching excesses of His mercy. But we MUST remember that his ordinary law is, that there is no Salvation whatever outside the Roman Church......No near approaches, no sensible devotions, no felt actual graces, will make a man a living member of Jesus Christ, without communion with the Holy See. We must be jealous of the uncompromising simplicity of this old-fashioned doctrine. We must be suspicious of all the fine words and specious theories, and ingenious abatements, which the spirit of the day would suggest. We must be misled by no circumstances of TIME or place, by no prevalence of heresy, by no arguments drawn from consequences, which are the affair of God's government of the world...not ours."
" The sins of men cannot change the truth of God. They are at His mercy, not He at theirs. In the days of the antichrist, when two-thirds even of the faithful shall fall away from the Church, their apostasy will not make it less the exclusive mistress of Salvation. We must be loyal to the church in our least thoughts of it, nor even talk lightly of its majesty. We must put faith in it in all its contracts and concussions with the world, and in all its contradictions of the assumed grandeur of this nineteenth century, which is more than half spent, and has done nothing yet to justify its boasting, We must not measure the Church by unsupernatural standards, which it is the world's great object to persuade us to do .We must not be ashamed of it because it holds back when it seems grander to go forward. We must not be discontented with it when its action intersects some little favorite anticipations of our own. we must merge our own selves and our own views in its consciously or unconsciously Spirit Guided policy. When we are perplexed, we must stand still and believe. Silence makes us great-hearted and judging makes us little minded, We must like its ways, as well as obey its precepts and believe its doctrines. We must not theorize; for if we once begin to theorize, we shall soon come to sneer. A mind NOT under authority always lies under a necessity of being pert. When the Church suffers, or souls suffer, we must not be content with the selfish consolation that, after all, the Church is eternal, and MUST conquer in the long run; but we must have an active sympathy with all its present vicissitudes, and an untiring zeal and unquenchable thirst for souls; and the Salvation of souls is a matter of the present; it cannot wait for the future, because men are dying daily."
END
(Yes ! Agreed!)
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There are no exceptions whatsoever to no Salvation Outside the Catholic Church. Everyone who enters Heaven is Catholic. (Yes!)
" The Catholic Church assures us that those who are translated to a state of grace through the laver and spirit of regeneration, as well as through the extra-sacramental baptisms of blood and desire, will be saved.( A person can be saved with the baptism of desire and blood followed by the baptism of water in a manner known only to God. So the baptism of desire and blood are not exceptions to the dogma.
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There are no exceptions whatsoever to no Salvation Outside the Catholic Church. Everyone who enters Heaven is Catholic. (Yes!)
" The Catholic Church assures us that those who are translated to a state of grace through the laver and spirit of regeneration, as well as through the extra-sacramental baptisms of blood and desire, will be saved.( A person can be saved with the baptism of desire and blood followed by the baptism of water in a manner known only to God. So the baptism of desire and blood are not exceptions to the dogma.
Also if any one is saved as such in 2015 we would not know. It would be known only to God. So in reality, objectively in the present times also, these cases are not exceptions to the dogma.
The Catholic Church's position on this issue is confusing after 1949 when an objective error was made on this subject in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949).
The divine and ecclesiastical command that all men be aptized in water and the spirit applies to every man without exception. Outside the Church, there is no salvation." (Yes!)
....and finally with humility as Catholics we are compelled out of love and obedience for our Catholic faith to Live our `faith as follows:
We must obey Church teaching on Baptism of Blood, Baptism of Desire and Invincible Ignorance as the Church understands it. (The Church's understanding of it today is conflict with the Church's understanding before 1949.
....and finally with humility as Catholics we are compelled out of love and obedience for our Catholic faith to Live our `faith as follows:
We must obey Church teaching on Baptism of Blood, Baptism of Desire and Invincible Ignorance as the Church understands it. (The Church's understanding of it today is conflict with the Church's understanding before 1949.
The Church accepts the 1949 letter issued by Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani. The first part of the letter is contradicted by the second part.This same pattern of error has been placed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257. It says the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the Sacrament of baptism. However it also says that God is not limited to the Sacraments. The dogma tells us that God has limited salvation to the Sacraments in the Catholic Church. Here it infers that a person can be saved without the Sacraments.
How has this new teaching come into the Church?
It has come through Cardinal Marchetti assuming there is known salvation outside the Church. He assumed that there was known salvation outside the Church with the baptism of desire and blood and those saved invincible ignorance.
In the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 the first part supports the traditional interpretation of the dogma which does not mention any exceptions. The second part infers that implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the traditional interpretation. In other words these cases are known in real life to be exceptions.People in Heaven are exceptions on earth?!
So Lumen Gentium 14 and Ad Gentes 7 mention being saved with implciit desire and in invincible ignorance.This can be interpreted with or without the inference.
The magisterium interprets it with the irrational inference. So the Council emerges as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Tradition in general.
I interpret LG 14,AG 7 without the Marchetti error. So LG 14,AG 7 are not in conflict with extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Tradition. So I accept Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church. For me this is what 'the Church ' teaches.
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If we can not understand or comprehend the teaching then a true act of faith and submission to its teaching is most acceptable. (If we cannot understand the present teaching it is best to go to the pre-1949 sources in the Catholic Church. It was guided by the Holy Spirit.)
With that is mind the sin of presumption mandates that: IT IS CONDEMNED BY CHURCH TEACHING FOR ANY CATHOLIC TO PRESUME THAT ANYONE ALIVE WHO IS NOT CATHOLIC WILL BE SAVED. (Agreed) WHEREAS IT IS CHURCH TEACHING THAT THOSE WHO DIE AS CATHOLICS IN A STATE OF GRACE AND FREE FROM MORTAL SIN WILL MOST DEFINETLY BE SAVED. (Yes) WE ARE COMMANDED BY JESUS AND THE CHURCH TO TEACH ALL PEOPLE ON EARTH FOR ALL TIME THAT THERE IS NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND ONE BAPTISM OF WATER FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS. (Yes) IN ORDER TO BE SAVED. EVERYONE MUST ENTER, RETURN OR STAY WITHIN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. (Yes)
-Lionel Andrades
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