eucharistandmission: Rome Vicariate's Ecclesia Mater teaches lay Catholics theology with an irrational premise : Vatican Council II then becomes a break with traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus

The Vicariate in Rome has centers in the city where they teach theology to lay Catholics.These lay Catholics are not aware that the theology of these centres is based on an irrationality.It is false theology.It is a break with Tradition and rationality. They use an irrational premise.With this false premsie they interpret magisterial documents including Vatican Council II.

I wrote to this office Ecclesia Mater a few years back but no one responded. Lay Catholics who attend these courses should ask themself two questions which the profesors at Ecclesia Mater and the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome will not answer.

TWO QUESTIONS

1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2015 ?

2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible for us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or Ad Gentes 7 which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation ?

If the answer is :1) No we do not know any case of the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience etc and we cannot physically see them in 2015 and 2) since they are not known; not visible to us they are not explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II - then you are rational.

You would be saying that there are no known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2015.

Defacto, objectively, you and I would not know of any such case.If there was any such case, it would only be known to God.And if there was such a case of someone saved, or going to be saved, without the baptism of water, it would be a possibility known only to God and unknown to us human beings.It would not be an exception. Possibilities are not exceptions. Hypothetical cases cannot be defacto exceptions in the present times.

So do you think the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake when it alleges that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the historical interpretation of the dogma , the 'rigorist interpretation' ? Yes! - but the Vicariate will not say it. Instead they will teach theology based on their being known exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Church.

How could Fr.Leonard Feeney be wrong when there cannot be any known exception? The Vicariate will not answer.

Many Catholic priests, who offer Mass in Italian, in Rome to whom I have spoken to say there are no known exceptions and the Marchetti Letter of 1949 made an objective mistake. It assumed that the dead are visible, to be exceptions to the dogma.It is a fact of life, that we cannot see these exceptions.

What is your view as a student ?

Fr.Stefano Visintin OSB, is Dean of the Faculty of Theology at the Pontifical University St.Anselm, Rome. This Benedictine priest says there are no known exceptions.
The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are possibilities, he said, but are not known exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation.

Prof. Visintin was speaking with me on Oct.15,2013 at the University of St.Anselm in Rome.
So did the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 issued by Cardinal Francesco Selvagginai Marchetti make a mistake for you ? Ask your professor at the Vicariate may be he will answer you.

Vatican Council II is in agreement with Fr.Leonard Feeney and the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, for me.

Vatican Council II, without the irrational inference(visible-dead who are exceptions to the dogma), would be saying, all Hindus, Buddhists, Jews,Muslims need to convert into the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism' (Ad Gentes 7) for salvation ( to avoid Hell). All Protestants and Orthodox Christians need Catholic Faith (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14)

Would you agree?

Could you confirm this with professors of theology at the St.John Lateran University?.

The priest who confirmed this for me most recently is Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP. He offers the Traditional Latin Mass on Sunday mornings at the church San Giuseppe a Capo le Casa in Rome.

I simply asked him if there are any physical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, are baptism of desire cases visible and known to us to be exceptions to all needing to enter the Church for salvation.His obvious answer was - no.There are no physically visible cases.There are no known exceptions.
-Lionel Andrades

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