Friday, December 26, 2014

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumes that the baptism of desire is always explicit. Upon this irrationality it condemned Fr.Leonard Feeney.



Brother Andre Marie MICM says he cannot accept the dejure defacto concept.1

Lionel;
I make the distinction between defacto-dejure, visible-invisible, explicit-implicit etc.
De facto( in fact, in reality) there are no visible cases of the baptism f desire.
De jure we can accept the baptism of desire followed by the baptism of water.
Objectively there are  no visible cases of the baptism of desire.
Subjectively, in faith, w can accept it.
 Explicitly there are no known cases of the baptism of desire.
Implicitly, theoretically, hypothetically, it is a possibility followed with the baptism of water.
Visibly there  are no such cases. They are invisible for us.
Invisible cases cannot be exceptions to all needing 'faith and baptism' in 2014.-2015
So where is the contradiction?
For the St.Benedict Centers, LG 16 ( being saved in invincible ignorance) is visible and so LG 16 and Vatican Council II is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according  to Fr.Leonard Feeney.
For me it is invisible and so is not an exception to the dogma.
The excommunication of Fr.Leonard Feeney was a mistake since they did not make the explicit-implicit ,visible-invisible distinction.
 The baptism of desire is always invisible, implicit etc.
The baptism of desire is never visible, explicit, objective etc,.
So it cannot be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Never ever.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumes that the baptism of desire is always explicit etc. Upon this irrationality it condemned Fr.Leonard Feeney.
-Lionel Andrades


1

At one point he recognised that there are no known exceptions to the dogma in our reality, we cannot see any one with the baptism of desire, but then again he went into a theology-mode

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/at-one-point-he-recognised-that-there.html

I would like the Church to correct it.


Pertinacious Papist said...
It seems to me that if (Lionel) were saying only that nobody, least of all the Catholic Church, has anywhere indicated a known case of baptism of desire, this is really nothing particularly exceptional.
Lionel:
Agreed

If, on the other hand, he is insisting that the Church in any of her papal or other magisterial statements got something wrong, this would not be so unexceptional but would pose a significant problem.
Lionel:
Yes.
I think he would agree, and that the latter point is what has him particularly agitated. He thinks he's discovered a case of magisterial error and wants the world to know this -- maybe to get a movement going to correct the Church on this issue?
Lionel:
Yes I would like the Church to correct it.
Without this error Vatican Council II is traditional its salvation theology and ecclesiology is traditional.Lionel Andrades
http://pblosser.blogspot.it/2014/12/extra-ecclesiam-nulla-salus-what-does.html