Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
There are no exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 mentioned in the Second Vatican Council II. All need faith and the baptism of water.
It is often said that there are exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism.There are exceptions only if a false premise is used in the interpretation. Only with a false premise!. Without this false premise Vatican Council II is traditional !
Example of a False Premise and its False Conclusion.Take the phrase 'seeds of the Word' in Ad Gentes 11, Vatican Council II.
False Premise: We can see Catholics who have received salvation in 2014 with 'seeds of the Word' and without the baptism of water.
False Conclusion: Ad Gentes 11 (seeds of the verb) is an exception to Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism).Vatican II contradicts extra ecclesia nulla salus. Vatican II contradicts itself (AG 11 versus AG 7).
Without the false premise.
Being saved with 'seeds of the Word' refers to a possibility. A possibility is not a known reality in the present times. It does not exist in our reality.A possibility is not an exception.
Since it is not known and visible it is not relevant to the dogma extra ecclesia nulla salus or Ad Gentes 7.
Conclusion: Seeds of the Word is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesia nulla salus nor to Ad Gentes 7.
The Second Vatican Council does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesia nulla salus .It is in agreement with the dogma.
The same is true with LG 8, LG 14 LG 16, NO 2, and UR 3 ecc. There are no exceptions here.-Lionel Andrades
DECEMBER 6, 2014