Wednesday, December 3, 2014
Possibilities cannot be defacto exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in the present times.
How would Pope Francis or Cardinal Muller know if Our Lady is really appearing at Medugorje ? Dogmas and doctrines are no more accepted as a measure
He recently said all go to Heaven. At Medugorje Our Lady said there is Hell.
So what would be the criteria for not approving Medugorje ? Dogma ? Doctrines? Vatican Council II ?
Supernatural phenomenon? Is there not enough supernatural phenomena seen on Medugorje.How can the supernatural phenomena be refuted ? With doctrine?!
Cardinal Muller has alleged apparitions like Medugorje : apparition theology for the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/cardinal-muller-has-alleged-apparitions.html
Msgr.Joseph Clifford Fenton had only to say that the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance, necessity of precept and means are hypothetical and so irrelevant to Fr.Feeney's interpretation of the dogma
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake and Msgr.Fenton could not say it in public.
Msgr.Joseph Clifford Fenton had only to say that we do not know any one on earth saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance or according to the necessity of precept and means, since these are hypothetical cases.So they are not objective exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted over the centuries.
He never criticised the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 on this point.
Tantumblogo on A Blog for Dallas Area Catholics has a post A doubting voice from Vatican Council II from a priest who was there.
He still has not commented on the irrational inference used in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and which was now being used in Vatican Council II.
- “There is nothing erroneous in the material [in the schema for Dei Verbum, the dogmatic constitution on divine revelation] we have passed. But there is a great deal that is incomplete and misleading.” (June 4, 1964)
- “M [Fr. John Courtney Murray] has just come in to see the triumph of his false doctrine [of religious liberty].” (Sept. 21, 1964)
- “The part on ecumenism [in the text of the commission] is a joke. It reads like a 19th century text, or a second-rate article in a leftist magazine.” (Oct. 28, 1965)
Mosgr Fenton does not say that 'those saved in imperfect communion with the Church'(Unitatis Redintigration 3, The Decree on Ecumenism) are not known and visible to us, they are not objective. So they could not be relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the traditional teachings on ecumenism and other religions unless one assumes that UR 3 etc refer to known and visible to cases.
The same with NA 2, LG 8, LG 16 etc.
For the theologians of that time these hypothetical cases were objectively visible and so so were relevant to the dogma. They were exceptions! This was the error that Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton did not notice or noticed, but did not speak it out in public for whatever reason.
The Theological Proof For The Necessity Of The Catholic Church (American Ecclesiastical Review, March 1948)
From Pope Pius XII to Pope Francis they all have been using an irrational premise in the interpretation of magisterial texts
From Pope Pius XII to Pope Francis they all have been using an irrational premise in the interpretation of magisterial texts.
For instance the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257 says God is not limited to the Sacraments and also the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water. This is a contradiction.It is contrary to the Principle of Non Contradiction. How can you say that de facto God is not limited to the Sacraments and also say God is limited to the Sacraments for salvation?
No one has yet explained this to Pope Francis. This irrationality has been the hallmark of the Jesuits since the time they expelled Fr.Leonard Feeney from their community.
-Lionel AndradesFeast of St.Francis Xavier.
y Azpilicueta, on 7th April 1506 was the sixth
and last child born to Dr. Joao de Xavier
and Maria d’Aspilcueta at Xavier castle,
Navarra(now part of Spain). He was a
Roman Catholic missionary who preached
the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the people of
Asia and was the co-founder of the Society
of Jesus. Francis Xavier was beatified
by Pope Paul V on 25th October 1619,
and was canonized by Pope Gregory XV
on 22nd March 1622. Pope Pius XI
proclaimed him the "Patron of Catholic
Missions". His feast is celebrated on
3rd December. The body of St Francis
Xavier which miraculously defied the
laws of nature, of turning into dust, lies
till this day in a silver casket in the
Church of Bom Jesus Basilica in Goa,
India. Ceremonies to honor his death
are performed on December 3rd, all
over the World, the day he was
buried . The exposition of the sacred
relics of St. Francis Xavier which is
held every 10 years will be held this
November from 22nd of November 2014
till 4th of January 2015, which will be the
17th public Exposition of the Sacred Relics
of the Saint. The theme for this Exposition
is " Faith Creates Communion, Strengthens
Family, Commissions to Renew the Society
" / " Bhavart Ekchar Rochta,
Kuttumb Thirayta, Somaz Novsorunk
Pattoyta ". This Official website of the
Exposition of the Sacred Relics of St.
Francis Xavier 2014 will try and help you
with all the information you seek to make
your Pilgrimage of faith in Goa fruitful a
The Exposition of the Sacred Relics of St. Francis Xavier 2014 began on the 22nd Nov 2014 with the Solemn Pontifical Mass at 9:30 a.m. The main celebrant of the Eucharistic celebration was Bishop of Manglore Aloysius D’Souza, along with Archbishop of Goa and Daman Filip Neri Ferrao and other Bishops con-celebrated the Eucharistic Celebration.
In His Homely His Grace Aloysius D’Souza spoke about the life of St. Francis Xavier and how he conquered millions of souls. After the Mass the Relics of St Francis Xavier were taken in a procession in prayer and reflection. The Relics were carried by different groups of faithful belonging to different association of the Church.