Thursday, November 27, 2014

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus is basic to religious liberty and a Catholic Confessional state.


From Steve Speray's blog (Speray's Catholicism in a Nutshell)
stevensperay.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/my-latest-to-rev-brian-harrison-concerning-the-dogma-on-the-churchs-oneness-in-faith/#comments
Lionel:
Steve,
I am affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
SPERAY REPLIES: 
Religious liberty has nothing to do with EENS. The fact that you think it does shows that you don’t understand the dogma at all. I even explained it to you but you edit out much of my comments.
Lionel:
For me there are no contradictions in Vatican Council II. Since LG 16,LG 8, UR 3 etc refer to cases not visible to us on earth they are irrelevant to the dogma.


SPERAY REPLIES: 

Cases not visible don’t contradict the dogma as you assert.
Lionel:
So with no known salvation outside the Church , all people need to enter the Catholic Church formally to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
SPERAY REPLIES: 
WRONG. If that were so, then you have contradicted yourself by saying the hypothetical cases are possible. If you must be baptized by necessity of means to be saved, then asserting possible hypothetical cases of baptism of desire would be heretical. However, since the Church by law teaches baptism of desire, then you don’t need to be baptized by necessity of means to be saved. Therefore, there is no dogma that states as you have: “for salvation, all need to be a member of the Church in the external forum.” THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS, NOT THE CHURCH’S.
Lionel:
So it is important that all aspects of society, including politics, have Jesus as it center. Jesus as known and taught by the Catholic Church.
SPERAY REPLIES:
 And DH teaches that men have a right to propagate false religion without gov. interference.
How does Dignitas Humanae square with the Syllabus of Errors?
DIGNITATIS HUMANAE DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE CHURCH’S TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE 
SPERAY REPLIES: 
You’re links show that you don’t understand the dogma or Vat2’s teaching.
SEDEVACANTISTS DO NOT MAKE DEFACTO – DEJURE DISTINCTION ARGUE OVER STRAWMAN
SPERAY REPLIES: 
You don’t even understand Catholic sedes.
DIGNITATIS HUMANAE DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE CHURCH’S TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE
SPERAY REPLIES:
 No one has taught that DH contradicts EENS. At least, as far as I know.
NO MATTER HOW YOU INTERPRET DIGNITATIS HUMANAE IF VATICAN COUNCIL II AFFIRMS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IS TRADITIONAL
SPERAY REPLIES: 
WRONG. Religious liberty is another subject altogether. You’ve drawn a false conclusion that DH has something to do with EENS.
RECONCILIATION OF THE SOCIETY OF ST.PIUS X (SSPX) IS NOW POSSIBLE

SPERAY REPLIES: 

Who cares? Your “popes” promote false religion and give place to the devil in front of altar in basilicas.

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Replies to Steve's comments made above.
Steve:
Religious liberty has nothing to do with EENS. The fact that you think it does shows that you don’t understand the dogma at all. I even explained it to you but you edit out much of my comments.
Lionel:
When I affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus I am saying that all non Catholics in 2014 need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.So for me it is important that all political and social legislation, has Jesus at its centre. Jesus as understood in the Catholic Church, the only Church he founded and outside of which there is no salvation.
All political legislation having at its centre God and not man and Jesus according to the Catholic Church could  be a Catholic Confessional State.It is within a Catholic State that all legislation would be based upon the Gospels as interpreted by the Catholic Church. The laws would be based on one religion, the one true religion, outside of which there is no salvation.This would be similar to the papal states of the past.
In papal states, non Catholics were free to live and follow their religion but the religion of the state was Catholicism and not a pluralism of religions.
So the basis of a Catholic State and religious liberty for me, as I understand it, is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted over the centuries during the time of the  papal states.
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Steve:
I even explained it to you but you edit out much of my comments.
Lionel:
I have not edited out any of your comments. If I have left something out and it was important for  you, post it and I will respond to it.
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SPERAY REPLIES:
 Cases not visible don’t contradict the dogma as you assert.
Lionel: 
So does Vatican Council II contradict the dogma for you? Are there visible cases for you in Vatican Council II?
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Lionel:
So with no known salvation outside the Church , all people need to enter the Catholic Church formally to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
SPERAY REPLIES: 
WRONG. 
Lionel:
There is no case known of someone saved without the baptism of water in 2014. You do not know of any one saved outside the Church. You do  not know of any one who will be saved this  year without the baptism of water and  so will be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So all need to enter the Catholic Church formally ( with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II ) to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
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Steve:
If that were so, then you have contradicted yourself by saying the hypothetical cases are possible. 
Lionel:
Steve, I don't know what you mean by the above sentence.
Could you re- word it and send it to me again ?
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Steve:
If you must be baptized by necessity of means to be saved, then asserting possible hypothetical cases of baptism of desire would be heretical. 
Lionel:
Every one on planet earth needs the baptism of water for salvation and there are no exceptions. Necessity of means and precepts can only be judged by God .It is not relevant for us. So the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 should not have mentioned it.Necessity of means and precept has come to us from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.This is a new doctrine.
The baptism of desire is always hypothetical for us. It is not I am saying so.This is a fact of life.We cannot give someone the baptism of desire as a priest can give a person the baptism of water.
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Steve:
However, since the Church by law teaches baptism of desire, then you don’t need to be baptized by necessity of means to be saved.
Lionel:
Baptism of desire and necessity of means and precepts must not be referred to with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It has nothing to do with the dogma for us human beings.This was the error of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
Since whoever  is saved with the baptism of desire, or according to  the necessity of means or precepts, is known only to God these cases are  theoretical,hypothetical and invisible for us.So they cannot be explicit exceptions in 2014 to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
There was an injustice done to the priest from Boston.Also the excommunication was not lifted during Vatican Council II and the confusion was allowed to spread through the whole Church.
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Steve:
 Therefore, there is no dogma that states as you have: “for salvation, all need to be a member of the Church in the external forum.” THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS, NOT THE CHURCH’S.
Lionel:
For salvation all need the baptism of water (CCC 1257,Vatican Council II (AG 7),Catechism of Pope Pius X etc). External forum is a phrase you use. I would say all need the baptism of water in the external forum, defacto, objectively, in the present times etc. The Church does not mention the false premise or the irrational inference but just about every one in the Church right up to the popes, have been using the inference in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
The dogma says all need to convert into the Church for salvation. One can only convert into the Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water, both of which are objectively visible.
A non Catholic cannot say that he is going to convert with the baptism of desire and so would not need the baptism of water. Neither can he say that he will be a martyr and so will be saved without the baptism of water.
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Steve:
And DH teaches that men have a right to propagate false religion without gov. interference.
Lionel:
It is referring to a state with a secular Constitution.This is mentioned in one of the footnotes.At that time(1965) there were new secular states. So DH was making a defacto statement here.
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NO MATTER HOW YOU INTERPRET DIGNITATIS HUMANAE IF VATICAN COUNCIL II AFFIRMS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IS TRADITIONAL
SPERAY REPLIES: 
WRONG. Religious liberty is another subject altogether. You’ve drawn a false conclusion that DH has something to do with EENS.
Lionel:
I have answered this point above. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus is basic to religious liberty and a Catholic Confessional state.
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RECONCILIATION OF THE SOCIETY OF ST.PIUS X (SSPX) IS NOW POSSIBLE

SPERAY REPLIES: 
Who cares? Your “popes” promote false religion and give place to the devil in front of altar in basilicas.
Lionel:
The reconciliation of the SSPX and the sedevacantists with the Vatican is now possible since Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So the traditional teaching on other religions and Christian communities has not changed. With the dogma on exclusive salvation being in accord with Vatican Council II, there is an obligation on all Catholics to seek the Social Reign of Jesus Christ in all political legislation. 
This would lead to a Catholic Confessional State, a papal state or a state in which the laws are based on the  teachings of the Catholic Church.
In such a state non Catholics would be free to live according to their religion, but the state would uphold the teachings of the Church. Non Catholics would have no legal right to teach their religion to others.Error would have no legal right in a Catholic Confessional state.This state would be a natural outcome or wish, of Catholics who affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
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SPERAY REPLIES: 
Your “popes” promote false religion and give place to the devil in front of altar in basilicas.
Lionel:
The traditionalists and sedevacantists like the popes use an irrational inference in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. So the Council appears as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So for the popes and all Catholics, there is salvation outside the Church which contradicts the traditional teaching on other religions and  the 'old' exclusive ecclesiology .The  Social Reign of Jesus Christ  has been made obsolete with alleged salvation outside the Catholic Church.
So the fault is not only with the popes.
-Lionel Andrades

If the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma in the external forum then you are implying that it is visible and known to us

 Steve Speray:
NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED that baptism of desire is visible and known to us and that Church documents had mentioned this.
Lionel:
If the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma in the external forum then you are implying that it is visible and known to us.
If you say that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 or some other documents considers the baptism of desire etc as an exception to the literal and traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney, then again, you imply that these cases are visible and known to you. If they were not known to you in personal cases how could they be exceptions?
Steve:
What I said was that those quotes contradict your statement ""for salvation, all need to be a member of the Church in the external forum."
Lionel:
So those quotes were of hypothetical cases. How could they be exceptions in the external forum in your parish or diocese for all to convert into the Church with no exceptions, for salvation ? All need to be a member of the Catholic Church in the external forum since you personally do not know any one who will be saved without the baptism of water. You cannot meet a Hindu, Buddhist, Jew or Muslim who will be saved outside the Church i.e without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).

Steve:
The quotes imply: FOR SALVATION, ALL NEED TO BE A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH AT LEAST IN THE INTERNAL FORUM" but you deny it and say that it must be in the external forum.
Lionel:
Steve, the issue is the dogma. Are there any exceptions ? Is the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
If someone is saved or not saved in the internal forum what has it to do with the dogma? Suppose there were 100 persons saved this year in the internal forum with the baptism of desire ? So what? You would not know of them.So what has the baptism of desire to do with extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
This was the mistake of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. This is Cushingism. It is also with Cushingism that you are interpreting Vatican Council II and then rejecting the Council. The same mistake is being made by the CMRI and MHFM.
The fault is not with Vatican Council II -unless, you are using Cushingism.

 Steve:
I stand by my statements.

Baptism of Desire and Blood are doctrines of the Church.
 
Lionel:
Yes, agreed.
However baptism of desire and blood can also be followed by the baptism of water if God wants it.
You have not answered so many questions in my last blog post, which I sent you?
-Lionel Andrades
 
 

Il vescovo di Mosul: "L'Italia ci aiuti a salvare i cristiani"

 

Erbil. La chiesa di San Giuseppe ad Erbil, capitale del Kurdistan, è il quartier generale del vescovo caldeo di Mosul, che parla italiano.
Amil Nuna è stato costretto alla fuga con i suoi fedeli davanti all'avanzata del Califfo. Prima di partire per Roma, dove incontrerà il Papa, denuncia la memoria corta dell'Occidente.
I cristiani cacciati dal Califfato torneranno mai nelle loro case?
«Io sono uno di loro, come vescovo di Mosul. Bisogna tornare, ma anche avere delle garanzie per vivere in sicurezza».
Quali sono le garanzie per il ritorno dei cristiani?
«Prima di tutto liberare la zona dai militanti dell'Isis e fare giustizia dei collaborazionisti locali, i vicini di casa, che hanno cacciato i cristiani e partecipato al saccheggio delle nostre abitazioni. Poi ci vuole una forza irachena o internazionale che garantisca la sicurezza dei cristiani».
Quasi tutti i rifugiati che abbiamo incontrato vogliono emigrare. Solo la Francia, però, concede qualche visto. Ci siamo di nuovo dimenticati di voi?
«Penso che l'Europa, l'Occidente ci hanno un po' dimenticato. Dopo tre mesi di attenzione bisogna "normalizzare". Prima dello Stato islamico era uguale. Convincere un cristiano dell'Iraq a restare nella sua terra sarà molto difficile perché ha perso tutto. L'Europa ha radici cristiane. Per questo motivo dovrebbe avere la responsabilità morale di garantire una vita degna per i fratelli cristiani in Iraq o all'estero».
Dopo mesi la condizione dei rifugiati è ancora difficile per usare un eufemismo.
Come è possibile?
«Nessuno ci ha aiutato. Anche le Nazioni Unite parlano tanto e combinano poco. Non basta portare un po' di viveri e acqua. Il vero problema è l'alloggio».
Sta dicendo che la comunità internazionale non vi aiuta?
«É proprio così. Solo le Chiese stanno lavorando veramente per aiutare i cristiani».
Dall'Italia cosa si aspetta?
«La Chiesa italiana sta facendo molto, ma il governo poco niente. Un rappresentante del vostro consolato ci ha appena portato un po' di viveri, che abbiamo stoccato nel nostro magazzino per distribuirlo. Si tratta di briciole».
Con l'arrivo dell'inverno l'emergenza riguarda gli alloggi…
«Certamente. Si doveva costruire fin dall'inizio delle case prefabricate. Il governo iracheno o i rappresentanti dei paesi occidentali, che sono venuti quando è cominciata la crisi potevano farlo. Lo abbiamo detto subito che con 120mila rifugiati il grosso problema sarà l'alloggio. Nel primo mese dell'emergenza è stato presentato un nostro progetto per la costruzione di 5mila case all'Unione europea, tramite i ministri degli Esteri di tre paesi, rimasto lettera morta».
Che fine hanno fatto le chiese nelle zone sotto controllo dello Stato islamico?
«Tutte le nostre chiese ed i centri di catechismo sono occupati dai militanti islamici soprattutto dal giorno in cui gli aerei americani hanno cominciato a bombardare. Cercano rifugio nelle chiese per non venir colpiti».
http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/1069722.html

Italian bishops warned against accepting Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate 'faithful to the original charism' ?

Marco Tosatti, at La Stampa confirms rumors, about  bishops being warned against the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate (FFI) 'faithful to the original charism'.Fr.Fidenzio Volpi OFM, the Commissioner of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, was present at the recent assembly of bishops in Assisi, Italy.

According to what has been reported by reliable sources,  the Commissioner approached bishops at Assosi. He dissuaded them from accepting in their diocese, the Friars of the Immaculate who do not recognize the new management of the Congregation.This is the new FFI  managed by the Commissioner and his Secretary and spokesman, Father Alfonso Bruno.

Toscatti asks  why a religious who does not want  to continue within a religious congregation (FFI)  should be forced to stay, instead of allowing him to bring his contribution to a priest in the diocese, at a time when vocations are not many.



 

 

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Soon Christians will become like pagans.

My dearly beloved daughter, My Voice is the only Voice you will hear, in the four corners of the earth, as I prepare humanity for the great assault. You may hear many voices from the mouths of false visionaries and prophets but none will cut through your souls like the Flame of the Holy Spirit.
You must be on your guard, for the voices of false spiritualism, which do not come from God, but which will be felt in different parts of the world. The influence of evil spirits will be seen in wars of terrorism, where sweet voices promoting misguided ideologies will try to justify the wicked atrocities they carry out in the Name of God.
Soon, voices, which will promote paganism, will be heard in Houses, which honour Me, and they will desecrate My Altars. Voices, which come from the spirit of evil, will be seen as exciting interpretations of people’s aspirations who seek fulfilment in their lives. They will shout, praise false gods, destroy the souls of the vulnerable and blaspheme against Me. These are the souls who anger Me the most, because they are very convincing and cause great confusion. They will be like magnets as they draw many Christians away from Me.
My enemies will blind My people to the Truth and soon Christians will become like pagans. I will be thrown out into the gutter like a pauper and the doors of My Church will be slammed in My Face. And when I knock at the door it will be bolted from the inside by those who claim to come from Me.
I have warned you of these days and they will soon be upon you. Again I say to you, My Word is Sacrosanct. These are the final messages from Heaven and are given to a world that is indifferent to Me as it is ungrateful.
Wake up and face the Truth. There is only one Master. You cannot remain loyal to Me if you serve more than one master.
Your Jesus
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/soon-christians-will-become-like-pagans/

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November 19, 2014
Non c'è stata alcuna smentita
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/non-ce-stata-alcuna-smentita.html
Nessuna smentita dal Vescovo Semeraro, Mons.Guido, CDF, Fidenzio Volpi OFM, FSSPX, Padre Serafino Lanzetta, Corrado Gnerre, Legio di Cristo, Maria Guarini, Padre Stefano di Radio Vobiscum... 2

Nessuna smentita dal Vescovo Semeraro, Mons.Guido, CDF, Fidenzio Volpi OFM, FSSPX, Padre Serafino Lanzetta, Corrado Gnerre, Legio di Cristo, Maria Guarini, Padre Stefano di Radio Vobiscum...

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/nessuna-smentita-dal-vescovo-semeraro.html
 

Heschel’s Humanum

Humanum

http://www.harvestingthefruit.com/

Confront the Evil - Directly

At first things went as you might expect them to go when the mere facts of the case are being presented. But when questions started coming from those gathered in the audience  something else was revealed.
Fr. William Byron who was president of Catholic University of America during most of the 80’s and was on the faculty at Georgetown for the following eight years, said publicly that he doesn’t think it will happen in the next few years, but that the Church will one day ordain women as priests.
 
We challenged him immediately – quoting from St. Pope John Paul’s 1994 Ordinatio Sacerdotalis where he declared the following:
“Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.”
The teaching in that letter was later confirmed a short while later to be infallible by then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger who was head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
 
But that didn’t matter at all to Fr. Byron, who actually went on to say, it doesn’t matter what the Ratzinger or the Pope said, With God All Things Are Possible and when God wants women ordained he’ll make sure it happens.
Then another exchange broke out between Church Militant dot TV with Dr. William D’Antonio who openly stated that he had supported a close friend of his whose research was instrumental in the development of InVitro Fertilization.
 


Mons .Lorenzo Leuzzi is also promoting an irrational version of Vatican Council II contrary to the Social Reign of Christ the King

 
I.H.
If what Fr. Harrison says about the philosophy of Vatican Council II with regards to its policy of compromise with the world for now until the “prudent” time arrives when the social reign of Christ can be restored, then we are in truly sorry shape because it shows the bishops were ignorant of the basics of Salvation History and Old Testament Covenant theology
Lionel:
Last Sunday there was Mass here in Italian. It was a subdued feast of Christ the King . There was no mention of the need for the Social Reign of Christ over all political and social legislation. Nor was there an affirmation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or Vatican Council II (AG 7) , which affirms the Reign of Christ the King over all the universe, in concrete terms.
The priests could not speak about this, if they knew about it, since it is prohibited by the Vatican. There are political forces that have been constantly threathening the Vatican.Now there is a pope who is not affirming the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political systems. Instead he has gone to the other extreme. This was seen in the recent Synod. He is instead adapting to the evil system.

I recently spoke to an Augustinian Recollect priest who is studying some aspect of St. Augustine at a pontifical university in Rome. He was not aware of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

One cannot blame him. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger did not mention it in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.He himself did not seem to believe in it.

Pope Benedict XVI seemed to believe that there is salvation outside the Church.It was as if he knew someone who was saved in the present times without the baptism of water.This is the compulsory political teaching at the pontifical universities.

Catholic seminarians have to claim :
1.They can see the dead saved in Heaven who are visible on earth.
2.These deceased now saved in Heaven are exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation and the Social Kingship of Christ the King.

This is acceptable politically by the Left even though it is irrational and not Catholic.

A few minutes back on the teleradiopadrepio 1 I saw Monsignor Lorenzo Leucci, one of the auxiliary bishops of Rome in the Holy Land with a group of pilgrims representing the Rome Vicariate.
Mons.Lorenzo like the other bishops (Mons. Matteo Zuppi etc) here will not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.I asked him last year if we knew of any one in the present times, saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. He would not answer. I asked him if being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire, (which is unknown to us in the present times), could be an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He would not answer.
These questions were asked of him in writing.
So what kind of dialogue is he and the other Catholic religious promoting in the Holy Land and everywhere else.It is a dialogue based on not speaking the truth about Catholic teachings. This is accepted by the political forces who overlook the Vatican.1.Mons .Leuzzi is also promoting an irrational version of Vatican Council II.It is a Vatican Council II in which those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), seeds of the Word (AG 11) etc refer to known persons in the present times.They are visible on earth.
2.He alleges also that these people now in Heaven are explicitly seen on earth and so are exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation, ecumenism,religous liberty ( based on the dogma) and the Social Reign of Jesus Christ .Jesus as known in the Catholic Church, being at the center of all political legislation.
It means affirming, that in Rome, all people with no exception, need the Eucharist, the Sacrament of Confession and the other Sacraments.-Lionel Andrades
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http://www.teleradiopadrepio.it/interna.php?bread=Video&inc=video&t=Video

http://www.harvestingthefruit.com/uncrowned/#comment-27342

MESSAGES FROM APPROVED APPARITION OF MARY AT LITMANOVÁ OFFERED PROTECTION DURING DISASTERS

The Church-approved apparitions at Litmanová include a slew of messages that are fascinating, sometimes surprising, we've learned, reviewing synopses of all the monthly appearances of Mary on a hilltop in Slovakia from August 5, 1990, to August 6, 1995.
Among them: word from the Blessed Mother on how to draw protection during coming events.
The appearances were to two girls, Iveta Korĉá, 12, and Katka Česelková, 13. For the main part, it was Iveta who heard Mary speak, while both saw her materialize out of a fog in front of them.
The Blessed Mother came in various dress, mainly a white one with blue mantle and blue sash, but at times dressed in gold, purple, and once even black, most often holding rosary beads and wearing a golden crown as well as a light-blue veil, the mantle tied behind her neck and "swaying nicely behind her," as one chronicler put it.
It's the messages that we'll concern ourselves with today.
Pleading for the faithful to pray all three Mysteries of the Rosary each day and fast twice a week, the Virgin Mary said, "I cannot look at the sins of Slovakia. My children have too much of everything and therefore they do not honor my Son or me. My Son will send a disaster on Slovakia. But if the people change and start to pray fervently, the disaster will go away."
The Rosary, Mary instructed Ivetka, had a great power that could not be overpowered "by any evil spirits."
"I am the Untainted Purity and the Queen of the Holy Rosary," said the Virgin in 1990. "Those who pray the Rosary also ask for all necessary mercy."
The day after Christmas that year, the Blessed Mother told them a wind storm that had occurred the previous Tuesday "was a test whether people would come to the place [of apparitions] or not, whether they remembered the previous apparition when she told them not to be afraid of snow, frost, and wind and instead to come," to quote the paraphrase of a message.
People wearing lockets and mentioning Mary as "Untainted Purity, often honoring that purity, "will receive my help every time they ask for it," she said (we do not use "allegedly" in apparitions approved by Church authorities).
"My children kill each other despite my being your loving mother, and this catastrophe was not God's Will because the devil has ruled the world for several years," said Mary, looking "sad" on January 20, 1991, a time during which former Yugoslavia was at war and the Persian Gulf War was in progress. "Therefore if my children wait for catastrophe, it will come! But if they resolve to give themselves into God's Hands and say, 'Let God's Will be done,' the catastrophe will not affect them because I will come in time. I am your loving mother and I advise my dear children to carry consecrated things with them in these times because the devil does not have such a great power then."
Referring to the Persian Gulf War, at one point the Virgin Mary (to paraphrase again, in the words of Ivetka) said that "almost all souls are condemned" there and that she listens to their "terrible screams."
These were apparitions that during high points -- such as May 5, 1991 -- reportedly saw hundreds of buses arrive, carrying pilgrims who thronged through the hillsides to reach the place where Mary was appearing. One estimate put the number of buses at 1,200.
It is the title Untainted Purity that apparently carries special protective powers.
"My dear children," she said, "I am happy that you entered my heart. Thank you. The period you live is very grievous, but you can survive spiritually in this way. I want to give you the gift of Jesus' Heart so that we can all meet in Heaven."
"I am very sad because the devil has been having the world in his hands for so many years," said Mary, in language often strikingly similar to Medjugorje. "And therefore, I call upon you to pray more and more." It was then she added (this on September 8, 1991), "I am very sad that I have to tell you something like that on the day of the feast but the time of God's visit is near." Primarily, said Ivetka, "she calls upon us to look for love."
She said it was "still the time" during which her Son offers Himself to us. She repeated this twice ("It is still the time").
But clearly, was the implication, time was running out.
"Stay in my heart during these times because you need to be more cautious and simpler," she said in her last formal appearance on August 6, 1995. "This time has come and you need to remain children who are absolutely free for God. Please, think about what I am saying," she said, repeating, "I wait for you in Heaven."