Thursday, November 20, 2014

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SSPX (USA) repeats the error in the Letter of the Holy Office : contradicts the dogma defined three times and also Vatican Council II ( Ad Gentes 7)



On the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX/USA) website there is a criticism of Fr.Leonard Feeney's alleged teachings.

The SSPX and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 contradict the dogma defined three times and also Vatican Council II ( Ad Gentes 7).

According to the dogma and Vatican Council II (AG 7) every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church.This is the defacto requirement. In 2014 we do not know any one saved or going to be saved 'united to her  by desire and longing'.So this is factually incorrect. The Holy Office is assuming that possibilities of salvation, hypothetical cases are defacto known in the present times.
So what if there is a case in invincible ignorant ?. It is not objective for us. It is not explicit. It has nothing to do with the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

Those who are united to the Church only by implicit desire and saved are unknown to us in 2014. They are unknown to us over the last 100 years or more.They were unknown also during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.When we do not know any such case personally and cannot in future know any such case then why should we claim that someone is saved united to the Church only by implicit desire?


Fr. Feeney and Catholic doctrine
A reissue of the article appearing in Verbum, No. 24 (1986), prefaced by the previous Editorial, clarifying the teaching of the Church regarding Baptism
Conclusion
Let us finally quote the letter of the Holy Office condemning Fr. Feeney’s teaching:

That one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.(According to the dogma and Vatican Council II (AG 7) every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church.This is the defacto requirement. In 2014 we do not know any one saved or going to be saved 'united to her  by desire and longing'.So this is factually incorrect. The Holy Office is assuming that possibilities of salvation, hypothetical cases are defacto known in the present times) However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance, God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wants his will to be conformed to the Will of God.(So what if there is a case with invincible ignorant ?. It is not objective for us. It is not explicit. It has nothing to do with the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.Mistake compounded!) These things are clearly taught in the dogmatic letter which was issued by the Sovereign Pontiff, Pope Pius XII, on June 29, 1943 (Mystici Corporis)(He does not say that there are visible cases of persons saved with the baptism of desire etc. Neither does he state there that these cases are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus)... he mentions those who are related to the Mystical Body of the Redeemer "by a certain unconscious yearning and desire," and these he by no means excludes from eternal salvation; (He does not state that these cases are visible exceptions to the dogma or that these cases cannot be followed by the baptism of water.So one cannot assume all this and suggest Pope Pius XII said it) but on the other hand, he states that they are in a condition "in which they cannot be sure of their salvation" since "they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church!" With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire (those who are united to the Church only by implicit desire and saved are unknown to us in 2014. They are unknown to us over the last 100 years or more.They were unknown also during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.When we do not know any such case personally and cannot in future know any such case then why should we claim that someone is saved united to the Church only by implicit desire?), and those who falsely assert that men can be saved equally as well in every religion. (Letter to the Archbishop of Boston, August 8, 1949).


Lumen Gentium 16 ( saved in invincible ignorance) means saved in invincible ignorance followed by the baptism of water according to Ad Gentes 7

SSPX PRIOR AT ALBANO,ITALY SAYS WE DON'T KNOW ANYONE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/sspx-prior-at-albanoitaly-says-we-dont.html

SSPX PRIESTS IN ALBANO,ITALY DISAGREE WITH U.S WEBSITE: THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IN VATICAN COUNCIL II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/sspx-priests-in-albanoitaly-disagree.html

Lumen Gentium 16 ( saved in invincible ignorance) means saved in invincible ignorance followed by the baptism of water according to Ad Gentes 7


















Lumen Gentium  16 ( being saved in invincible ignorance) means saved in invincible ignorance followed by the baptism of water according to Ad Gentes 7. According to Ad Gentes 7 all need the baptism of water for salvation. This would also include those saved in invincible ignorance (16), seeds of the Word (AG 11), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) etc.

Lumen Gentium 16 ,is referring to a hypothetical case. It is a theoretical case for us. We cannot see or meet someone saved with initial invincible ignorance of the Catholic Faith followed by instructions in the Faith with the baptism of water .
We do not know any one saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire in 2014. So the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made a mistake when it suggested that these cases were exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma  according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.
The secular media usually interprets Lumen Gentium 16 as referring to cases saved without the baptism of water,However the text of Vatican Council II does not state that these cases are saved with or without the baptism of water,l They only refer to a possibility.A hypothetical possibility similar to the baptism of desire for a catechumen who dies without having received the baptism of water.
If there is a catechumen who has not received the baptism of water and held a genuine desire God will save him in the way he chooses. However it will always include the baptism of water. This person could  also be sent back to earth to be baptized with water. This was the experience of the saints including St. Francis Xavier. We cannot say that he will be saved only with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water.Since this is a theoretical case. We do not know any one in particular saved as such. We do not know if St. Emerentina was baptised with water or sent back to earth to be baptized with water.If someone was saved without the baptism of water it would be a contradiction of Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14.
Anyway, with or without the baptism of water, they are not known exceptions in 2014 to all adults needing Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (AG 7) . This is also the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church according to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus , the Syllabus of Errors, the Catechism of Pope Pius XII etc.

So there is nothing in Vatican Council II, which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam, nulla salus as it was traditionally known. Vatican Council II is  Feeneyite.
It does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by Fr.Leonard  Feeney.The baptism of desire  and invin cible ignorance being theoretical for us, are irrelevant to all defacto needing the baptism of water , given to adults with Catholic Faith, in 2014.-Lionel Andrades

Fr.Brian Harrison supports the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which contradicts the teaching on the Social Kingship of Christ

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Fr.Brian Harrison says Vatican Council II affirms the  Social Kingship of Christ and that we must do the same. However he supports the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which infers that there is salvation outside the Church.

If there is salvation outside the Church, the position of the liberals at the International  Thelogical Commission, etc, then why proclaim the Social Kingship of Christ?
Here are some blog posts related to Fr. Harrison who has stopped writing on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
-Lionel Andrades

 

Fr.Brian Harrison is revising for the community of Fr.Leonard Feeney (catholism.org) a 33 page article which suggests there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/05/frbrian-harrison-is-revising-for.html#links

Notice, he has no apologetics but is calling for prayers

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/05/still-no-theological-response-from.html#links

MICHAEL DAVIS MADE A MISTAKE ON THE ISSUE OF VATICAN COUNCIL II AND OTHER RELIGIONS : ALSO ON RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ?


Theological Journal unprofessional http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/theological-journal-unprofessional.html#links


Redemptoris Missio does not contradict Fr.Leonard Feeney


Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is still in heresy :visible to us baptism of desire and invincible ignorance contradicts a defined dogma

 
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Questo e assurdo !

Questo e assurdo !
Stavo parlando in jan. 2014 con don Mauro Tranquillo il teologo italiano della Fraternita Sacerdotale di San Pio X.  Ho detto a lui : per qualcosa diventa un'eccezione deve bisogna esiste e bisogna rimane diverso. Se non esiste non può essere un'eccezione.
Il battesimo di desiderio non esiste nella nostra realtà in 2014. Semplice! E non e un'eccezione per la insegnamenti tradizionale che tutti bisogna battesimo di acqua per la salvezza.
 Per Don Mauro il battesimo di desiderio è una eccezione. Per lui ogni persona in Italia in 2014 non bisogno del battesimo di acqua per la salvezza. C'e eccezione.
Significa questi casi di battesimo di desiderio, sono visibili a lui in 2014. Perche e e visibili sono e e una eccezione.
Per me i morti in cielo e invisibili. Non sono eccezione con Tradizione.
Defunti sono visibili a Don Mauro? Loro dovrebbero essere visibili per diventa eccezione, per il dogma e dottrina che dire tutti bisogno convertire nella Chiesa cattolica per la salvezza in tempo presente (2014).
Se la Lettera condannato Don Leonard Feeney allora significa che , filosoficamente , Papa Pio XII poteva vedere o conoscere eccezione.Loro esisteva per lui. Poteva vedere i morti ?!
Similmente per Don Mauro Tranquillo , Lumen Gentium 8 , "elementi di santificazione e di verità ", in altre religioni sarebbero un'eccezione per il dogma sulla salvezza. Perchè ? Questi casi esistono? De facto sono conosciuti a Don Mauro ? Così si contraddicono extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Ognuno non ha bisogno di essere un membro visibile della Chiesa per lui.Ogni persone non ha bisogno del battesimo di acqua per salvezza.Per il prete Italiano ci sono eccezioni nel 2014.Persone che ha ricevuto salvezza con «elementi di santificazione e di verità ».
Il Concilio Vaticano II sarebbe in contraddizione con il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus per lui. Ma non e per me.Poiché il Concilio Vaticano II per lui si riferisce a casi definiti e non in principio. Casi esplicita e non implicita.
Quando la Società di S. Pio X si riferisce alla eccezioni al dogma implicano che possano, filosoficamente ed empiricamente, vedere il defunto in cielo ( salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile ecc) e anche sulla terra.
Questo è assurdo!
- Lionel Andrades
Forse la Lettera del Sant'Uffizio 1949 commette un errore filosoficamente ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/forse-la-lettera-del-santuffizio-1949.html
 
Did the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 make a mistake philosophically?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/did-letter-of-holy-office-1949-make_13.html#links
 
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Mercoledì 19 novembre 2014

Seregno, 12 dicembre - Conferenza Circolo J.H.Newman - L'immutabilità della Tradizione


L’immutabilità della Tradizione

Teologia e attualità dell’Enciclica “Pascendi Dominici Gregis” di San Pio X

Interverranno

ROBERTO DE MATTEI
Storico della Chiesa – Università Europea di Roma

DON MAURO TRANQUILLO
Teologo – Sacerdote della Fraternità Sacerdotale San Pio X

Introdurrà Andrea Sandri - Presidente del Circolo Culturale Cardinal J.H. Newman

Venerdì 12 Dicembre – Ore 21
Sala Mons. Luigi Gandini – Via XXIV Maggio - Seregno
Circolo Culturale Cardinal John Henry Newman - Seregno
 

Great news – Fr. Carota works a conversion using cassock power!

I love this post from Fr. Carota. It ties in very well with the post I did yesterday concerning the cassock-wearing Fr. Carney and how he publicly evangelizes by walking around town and engaging souls whose attention he attracts due to his traditional priestly garb:
A portable propane tank for the stove in my house leaked gas and needed the valve replaced. So I took it in my van to a place that fills and repairs propane tanks. The man who waited on me was Mexican. He asked me if I was Catholic and he waved his hand, indicating the cassock I was wearing. I told him, definitely.
He then went on to explain to me that he had studied all the religions of the world; buddhism, hinduism, Islam, mormon and protestantism. He told me that the muslims would not allow him to come into their mosque or become muslim because he could not understand Arabic in which they pray and teach the koran. They told him that they would be watching out for him on the surveillance cameras.
Then he told me that his mother was a good Catholic and that he had even been an altar boy. The last thing he was into was the masons. I informed him that the masons were behind the torturing and killing of the Cristeros in Mexico. He had not heard of them. [I assume Father means the Cristeros]
I told him that I too had studied about the different religions and knew that the only true faith was the Catholic faith. I invited him to come to the Holy Latin Mass at 8 am Sunday at St. Catherine’s.
He said he would fix the valve on the propane gas tank and fill it up. But he told me I could not take it back in my van because the law prohibits caring a large propane tank in a car in case it leaks it would kill the people. It has to be in a pickup. He then took me into the owners office to see if anything could be done. The owner was very kind and said they could deliver it the next day to my house. When the tank was delivered this is what I joyfully received. First the tank was newly painted, a cap was installed and a ribbon was on it.
What a wonderful surprise to receive the newly painted repaired propane tank, but most of all the note that he is coming to the Latin Mass on Sunday……
…..See what great things happen when we priests wear the traditional Catholic Cassock. Be encouraged all of you priests who are ridiculed for wearing the cassock. If only it save one soul and brings someone the the Holy Latin Mass, it well worth the ridicule and persecution you have received for wearing it. [Darn right. And if the world hates you, remember it hated Our Lord first, and know that you are blessed when you are persecuted for righteousness' sake.]
Pics of the propane tank:
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I add this pic just because it is awesome:
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http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/great-news-fr-carota-works-a-conversion-using-cassock-power/

Want to Stop Abortions in Canada? Volunteer at a Pregnancy Center Today

by Mike Schouten | Ottawa, Canada | LifeNews.com |

 
 
Christians who strive to live by the Scriptures will know that the two greatest commandments are to love the Lord with heart, soul and mind, and to love their neighbours as themselves (Mark 12:30-31).
Follows of Jesus desire to live selfless lives and this is characterized by putting others needs ahead of their own. I bring this up in connection with the work of faith-based pregnancy care centres. These centres are for the most part staffed by volunteers who give up much to come to the aid of those in need.
freepregnancytestThe volunteers provide compassionate help to women experiencing unplanned pregnancies, post abortion grief, domestic violence, and sexual assault. They are on the frontlines of assisting some of the most vulnerable people in society and regularly help women make informed choices that set them on the path to a better life. The care they offer extends well beyond the moment of birth or abortion. In very practical ways they come alongside people in need and so enable them to continue living productive and joy-filled lives as they transition into motherhood. And right now, pregnancy options centres need our support.
As we documented just over a year ago, pregnancy options centres are increasingly under attack by abortion advocates. Yes, there are Canadians who are so excited about the fact that a woman ought to be able to kill her own child that they simply cannot fathom the thought that some women choose life for their pre-born child.
Without going into details we want you to know that these attacks have intensified in recent weeks. We ask that you do what you can to support a pregnancy options centre near you. This can be done through donations (see here for a list of centres across Canada). You can also help them by offering words of encouragement and prayer for those on the front lines. They are daily engaged in the culture seeking to show love to those in need.
We can do better and we can certainly show those who oppose helping pregnant women that they have a skewed sense of social justice. Let us not be characterized as a country that let’s its citizens flounder in depths of despair.
 

No Jews, Not One -Michael Voris