Thursday, November 13, 2014

Being saved in invincible ignorance has nothing to do with the dogma

There is an interesting discussion on the CathInfo forum.They still have not understood that being saved in invincible ignorance is not an exception in the present times to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Being saved as such refer to unknown cases for us.
So many in the Catholic Church assume that there are known exceptions to the dogma and then they go into the theology. They remain in theological circles. They are unaware of the difference between Cushingism and Feeneyism.
-Lionel Andrades

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Pope John Paul II also fell before the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949

Franciscans of the Immaculate accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and the Cushingite version of Vatican Council II

If the Letter of the Holy Office simply referred to implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance and left it at that it would be fine

Fr.Nicholas Gruner can ask the pope and the Vatican Curia, in a fresh complaint, to also affirm Vatican Council II in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus as he does

A canonical complaint was made to the Pope  under the 1983 Code of Canon Law.It was filed by Fr.Nicholas Gruner 1. In his complaint  he assumed that Vatican Council II was a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This was a mistake.The error was with Fr.Gruner and the pope.They were interpreting salvation mentioned or alluded to, in the Vatican Council text, as referring to persons alive and visible on earth. This was an error. After assuming that the dead now saved in Heaven are known and visible on earth, it was wrongly concluded that these deceased were explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So it was assumed that there was salvation outside the Church and every one did not need to enter,since there were exceptions.


Now Fr.Gruner can clarify that Vatican Council II does not mention any case of someone saved who is objectively seen on earth, to be an exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation.The Council refers to possibilities, known only to God.Fr.Gruner can ask the pope and the Vatican Curia, in a fresh complaint,  to also affirm Vatican Council II in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus as he does.
They may not want to do so but at least they cannot criticize him for rejecting Vatican Council II.
Similarly the Superior General of the Society of St.Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, must inform  Cardinal Muller, and people in general,  that there are no known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, mentioned in Vatican Council II.The Council does not contradict the traditional interpretation of the dogma.So it does not contradict the traditional teaching on other religions and Christian communities.
Also if any pope or cardinal suggests that the dead are living exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church with the baptism of water and Catholic Faith, then it is irrational. Since it is common knowledge that we cannot see the deceased in Heaven.If any Church document makes this absurd claim it has to be rejected.
Likewise a spokesman for the Franciscans of the Immaculate, may be a relative or friend, could  announce in public, for the attention of  Cardinal Braz de Aviz, that there are no known exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They must ask him to affirm Vatican Council II and the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church,since Vatican Council II and doctrine are important for him.-Lionel Andrades


Cardinal Raymond Burke and Fr.Nicholas Gruner affirm the same error as do the liberals

Cardinal Raymond Burke has still not identified the false premise, the irratonal inference which is the cause of 'the spirit of Vatican Council II'



Commanding Generals fired:
• General John R. Allen - U.S. Marines Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] (Nov 2012)
• Major General Ralph Baker (2 Star) - U.S. ArmyCommander of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn in Africa (April 2013)
• Major General Michael Carey (2 Star) - U.S. Air Force Commander of the 20th US Air Force in charge of 9,600 people and 450 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (Oct 2013)
• Colonel James Christmas - U.S. Marines Commander 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit
• Major General Peter Fuller-U.S. Army Commander in Afghanistan (May 2011)

• Major General Charles M.M. Gurganus - U.S. Marine Corps Regional Commander of SW and I Marine Expeditionary Force in Afghanistan (Oct 2013)
• General Carter F. Ham - U.S. Army African Command (Oct 2013)
• Lieutenant General David H. Huntoon (3 Star), Jr. - U.S. Army 58th Superintendent of the US Military Academy at West Point , NY (2013)
• Command Sergeant Major Don B Jordan - U.S. Army 143rd ExpeditionarySustainment Command (suspended Oct 2013)
• General James Mattis - U.S. Marines Chief of CentCom (May 2013)
• Colonel Daren Margolin - U.S. Marine in charge of Quantico 's Security Battalion (Oct 2013)
• General Stanley McChrystal - U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (June 2010)
• General David D. McKiernan - U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (2009)
• General David Petraeus - Director of CIA from September 2011 to November 2012
• Brigadier General Bryan Roberts - U.S. Army Commander 2nd Brigade (May 2013)
• Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant - U.S. Marine Corps Director of Strategic Planning and Policy for the U.S. Pacific Command
• Colonel Eric Tilley - U.S. Army Commander of Garrison Japan (Nov 2013)
• Brigadier General Bryan Wampler - U.S. ArmyCommanding General of 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command of the 1st Theater Sustainment Command [TSC] (suspended Oct 2013)

Commanding Admirals fired:
• Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette - U.S. Navy Commander John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group Three (Oct 2012)
•Vice Admiral Tim Giardina(3 Star, demoted to 2 Star) - U.S. Navy Deputy Commander of the US Strategic Command, Commander of the Submarine Group Trident, Submarine Group 9 and Submarine Group 10 (Oct 2013)

Naval Officers fired: (All in 2011)
• Captain David Geisler - U.S. Navy Commander Task Force 53 in Bahrain (Oct 2011)
• Commander Laredo Bell - U.S. Navy Commander Naval Support Activity Saratoga Springs , NY (Aug 2011)
• Lieutenant Commander Kurt Boenisch - Executive Officer amphibioustransport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)
• Commander Nathan Borchers - U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Stout (Mar 2011)
• Commander Robert Brown - U.S. Navy Commander Beachmaster Unit 2 Fort Story , VA (Aug 2011)
• Commander Andrew Crowe - Executive Officer Navy Region Center Singapore (Apr 2011)
• Captain Robert Gamberg - Executive Officer carrier Dwight D. Eisenhower (Jun 2011)
• Captain Rex Guinn - U.S. Navy Commander Navy Legal Service office Japan (Feb 2011)
• Commander Kevin Harms - U.S. Navy Commander Strike Fighter Squadron 137 aboard the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln (Mar 2011)
• Lieutenant Commander Martin Holguin - U.S. Navy Commander mine countermeasures Fearless (Oct 2011)
• Captain Owen Honors - U.S. Navy Commander aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (Jan2011)
• Captain Donald Hornbeck - U.S. Navy Commander Destroyer Squadron 1 San Diego (Apr 2011)
• Rear Admiral Ron Horton - U.S. Navy Commander Logistics Group, Western Pacific (Mar 2011)
• Commander Etta Jones - U.S. Navy Commander amphibious transport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)
• Commander Ralph Jones - Executive Officer amphibious transport dock Green Bay (Jul 2011)
• Commander Jonathan Jackson - U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 134, deployed aboard carrier Carl Vinson (Dec 2011)
• Captain Eric Merrill - U.S. Navy Commander submarine Emory S. Land (Jul 2011)
• Captain William Mosk - U.S. Navy Commander Naval Station Rota , U.S. Navy Commander Naval Activities Spain (Apr 2011)
• Commander Timothy Murphy - U.S. Navy Commander Electronic AttackSquadron 129 at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island , WA (Apr 2011)
• Commander Joseph Nosse - U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine Kentucky (Oct 2011)
• Commander Mark Olson - U.S. Navy Commander destroyer The Sullivans FL (Sep 2011)
• Commander John Pethel - Executive Officer amphibious transport dock New York (Dec 2011)
• Commander Karl Pugh - U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 141 Whidbey Island , WA (Jul 2011)
• Commander Jason Strength - U.S. Navy Commander of Navy Recruiting District Nashville , TN (Jul 2011)
• Captain Greg Thomas - U.S. Navy Commander Norfolk Naval Shipyard (May 2011)
• Commander Mike Varney - U.S. Navy Commander attack submarine Connecticut (Jun 2011)
• Commander Jay Wylie - U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Momsen (Apr2011)

NavalqQ Officers fired (All in 2012):
• Commander Alan C. Aber - Executive Officer Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron 71 (July 2012)
• Commander Derick Armstrong - U.S. Navy Commander missile destroyer USS The Sullivans (May 2012)
• Commander Martin Arriola - U.S. Navy Commander destroyer USS Porter (Aug2012)
• Captain Antonio Cardoso - U.S. Navy Commander Training Support Center San Diego (Sep 2012)
• Captain James CoBell - U.S. Navy Commander Oceana Naval Air Station's Fleet Readiness Center Mid-Atlantic (Sep 2012)
• Captain Joseph E. Darlak - U.S. Navy Commander frigate USS Vandegrift (Nov 2012)
• Captain Daniel Dusek - U.S. Navy Commander USS Bonhomme
• Commander David Faught - Executive Officer destroyer Chung-Hoon (Sep2012)
• Commander Franklin Fernandez - U.S. Navy Commander Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 24 (Aug 2012)
• Commander Ray Hartman - U.S. Navy Commander Amphibious dock-landing ship Fort McHenry (Nov 2012)
• Commander Shelly Hakspiel - Executive Officer Navy Drug Screening Lab San Diego (May 2012)
• Commander Jon Haydel - U.S. Navy Commander USS San Diego (Mar 2012)
• Commander Diego Hernandez - U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine USS Wyoming (Feb 2012)
• Commander Lee Hoey - U.S. Navy Commander Drug Screening Laboratory, San Diego (May 2012)
• Commander Ivan Jimenez - Executive Officer frigate Vandegrift (Nov 2012)
• Commander Dennis Klein - U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Columbia (May 2012)
• Captain Chuck Litchfield -U.S. Navy Commander assault ship USS Essex (Jun 2012)
• Captain Marcia Kim Lyons - U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic New England (Apr 2012)
• Captain Robert Marin - U.S. Navy Commander cruiser USS Cowpens (Feb 2012)
• Captain Sean McDonell - U.S. Navy Commander Seabee reserve unit Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 14 FL (Nov 2012)
• Commander Corrine Parker - U.S. Navy Commander Fleet Logistics Support Squadron 1 (Apr 2012)
• Captain Liza Raimondo - U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic Patuxent River , MD (Jun 2012)
• Captain Jeffrey Riedel - Program manager, Littoral Combat Ship program (Jan 2012)
• Commander Sara Santoski - U.S. Navy Commander Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron 15 (Sep 2012)
• Commander Kyle G. Strudthoff - Executive OfficerHelicopter Sea Combat Squadron 25 (Sep 2012)
• Commander Sheryl Tannahill - U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Nashville , TN (Sep 2012)
• Commander Michael Ward - U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Pittsburgh (Aug 2012)
• Captain Michael Wiegand - U.S. Navy Commander Southwest Regional Maintenance Center (Nov 2012)
• Captain Ted Williams - U.S. Navy Commander amphibious command ship Mount Whitney (Nov 2012)
• Commander Jeffrey Wissel - U.S. Navy Commander of Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron 1 (Feb 2012)

Naval Officers fired (All in 2013):
• Lieutenant Commander Lauren Allen - Executive Officer submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)
• Reserve Captain Jay Bowman - U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Fort Dix , NJ (Mar 2013)
• Captain William Cogar - U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Mercy's medical treatment facility (Sept 2013)
• Commander Steve Fuller - Executive Officer frigate Kauffman (Mar 2013)
• Captain Shawn Hendricks - Program Manager for naval enterprise IT networks (June 2013)
• Captain David Hunter - U.S. Navy Commander of Maritime Expeditionary Security Squadron 12
• Captain Eric Johnson - U.S. Navy Chief of Military Entrance Processing Command at Great Lakes Naval Training Center , IL (2013)
• Captain Devon Jones - U.S. Navy Commander Naval Air Facility El Centro , CA (July 2013)
• Captain Kevin Knoop - U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Comfort's medical treatment facility (Aug 2013)
• Lieutenant Commander Jack O'Neill - U.S. Navy Commander Operational SupportCenter Rock Island , IL (Mar 2013)
• Commander Allen Maestas - Executive Officer Beachmaster Unit 1 (May 2013)
• Commander Luis Molina - U.S. Navy Commander submarine Pasadena (Jan 2013)
• Commander James Pickens - Executive Officer frigate Gary (Feb 2013)
• Lieutenant Commander Mark Rice - U.S. Navy Commander Mine Countermeasures ship Guardian (Apr 2013)
• Commander Michael Runkle - U.S. Navy Commander of Mobile Diving and Salvage Unit 2 (May 2013)
• Commander Jason Stapleton - Executive Office Patrol Squadron 4 in Hawaii (Mar 2013)
• Commander Nathan Sukols - U.S. Navy Commander submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)
• Lieutenant Daniel Tyler - Executive Officer Mine Countermeasures ship Guardian (Apr 2013)
• Commander Edward White - U.S. NavyCommander Strike Fighter Squadron 106 (Aug 2013)
• Captain Jeffrey Winter - U.S. Navy Commander of Carrier Air Wing 17 (Sept 2013)
• Commander Thomas Winter - U.S. Navy Commander submarine Montpelier (Jan 2013)
• Commander Corey Wofford - U.S. Navy Commander frigate Kauffman (Feb 2013)

(Note): This trend continues in 2014 !

Since Barack Obama has been in the White House, high ranking military officers have been removed from their positions at a rate that is absolutely unprecedented.

Things have gotten so bad that a number of retired generals are publicly speaking out about the 'purge' of the U.S. military that they believe is taking place. As you will see below, dozens of highly decorated military leaders have been dismissed from their positions over the past few years.

Sowhy is this happening? What is going on right now is absolutely crazy especially during a time of peace. Is there a deliberate attempt to reshape the military and remove those who don't adhere to the proper 'viewpoints' ? Does someone out there feel a need to get officers that won't cooperate out of the way?

Throughout world history, whatever comes next after a military purge is never good. Perhaps you are reading this and you think that 'purge' is too strong a word for what is taking place.

If this continues, what is the U.S. military going to look like in a few years?

Just consider the following quotes from some very highly decorated retired officers:

- Retired Army Major General Paul Vallely: “The White House protects their own. That's why they stalled on the investigation into Fast andFurious, Benghazi and Obamacare. He's intentionally weakening and gutting our military, Pentagon and reducing us as a superpower, and anyone in the ranks who disagrees or speaks out is being purged.”

- Retired Army Major General Patrick Brady: “There is no doubt he (Obama) is intent on emasculating the military and will fire anyone who disagrees with him.”

- Retired Army Lt. General William G. Jerry Boykin: “Over the past three years, it is unprecedented for the number of four-star generals to be relieved of duty, and not necessarily relieved for cause.”

- Retired Navy Captain Joseph John: “I believe there are more than 137 officers who have been forced out or given bad evaluation reports so they will never make Flag (officer), because of their failure to
comply to certain views.”

A Pentagon official, who asked to remain nameless because they were not authorized to speak on the matter, said even young officers, down through the ranks have been told not to talk about Obama or the politics of the White House. They are purging everyone and if you want to keep your job just keep your mouth shut. Now this trend appears to be accelerating.

General Vallely's comment: “Absolutely every communist regime on the planet did this as soon as they got in power.”

Read more:

“Absolutely Heartbreaking” News Crew Reacts to Seeing Graphic Abortion Images

“Absolutely Heartbreaking” News Crew Reacts to Seeing Graphic Abortion Images

by Lauren Enriquez | Washington, DC |
(LiveActionNews) — A New Jersey news crew recently produced a story on their own collective reaction to a video developed by Created Equal, a pro-life group that shows graphic images of abortion in public areas. Created Equal operates under free speech rights, setting up overt displays that put the reality of abortion in plain view for passers-by in busy pedestrian locales.
The crew, Chasing New Jersey, watched the following Created Equal video, and “Chaser” Bill Anderson instigated a discussion about their reactions (second video) after they saw it.
Warning: The first video below contains graphic abortion images.
This is the crew’s reaction:

newscrewReactions were varied, including incredulity from a father who says he doesn’t allow his nine-year-old to watch horror movies that are much less gruesome than the abortion images. A female member of the crew, however, shared that her friends wished they had been given the opportunity to know what abortion was really all about before they underwent the ordeal themselves. “People don’t get an opportunity to see something like this,” she said.
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Another crew member summarized the video’s ultimate message poignantly, saying:
Regardless of how you feel on the issue, if their goal was to get you to evoke these emotions, and these visual images for the word ‘abortion,’ I mean they did a great job. I’m never going to forget that for the rest of my life.
Virtually no one likes this method of education — pro-lifers and abortion advocates alike — but such advocates of life as Fr. Frank Pavone of Priests for Life have long held that “America will not reject abortion until America sees abortion.” Consequently, what have come to be known as “graphic images campaigns” now dot the nation in an effort to educate the public about what abortion is in a country steeped in rhetoric and sophistry that often divorce abortion’s reality from our sanitized way of thinking about it.
LifeNews Note: Lauren is a former Legislative Associate for Texas Right to Life and a graduate of Ave Maria University. This post originally appeared at Live Action News and is reprinted with permission.