Thursday, October 2, 2014

Sermon Padre Hewko Hell September 28th 2014

CCC 1257-1260: If we do not know any such person in 2014 then how can we say theoretically, God is not limited to the Sacraments, every one does not need the Baptism of water


When CCC 1257 mentions that God is not limited to the Sacraments, it could be when it considers that God being God and He can do any thing.He can choose to save a person with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water. This is possible theoretically.However this is not the context in which CCC 1257 is commonly used in the Church.
The  Catechism 1257 -1260 considers those who are saved without the baptism of water as exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla slaus. They are substitutes.
If they are exceptions or substitutes then they would have to be visible to us in the present times.If they are not known to us they cannot be exceptions.This is the error in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257-1260.
I can assume that CCC 1257 God is not limited to the Sacraments refers to implicit cases, possibilities.However in two theological papers of the International Theological Commission approved by Pope Benedict XVI it is assumed that there are known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So  CCC 1257 refers to explicit exceptions for the Vatican Curia, for the popes and cardinals.
Also regarding the Necessity of the Baptism of Water, how can we say that theoretically there are persons in the present times who are exceptions to all needing the baptism of water? Where are these persons?
If we do not know any such person in 2014 then how can we say  theoretically, God is not limited to the Sacraments and every one does not need the Baptism of water.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.60 He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.61 Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.62 The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
1258 The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament.( Hypothetically O.K .Defacto there is not such case in the present times. I cannot judge who has been saved as such this year. I cannot say that any one will be saved without the baptism of water but with the baptism of blood).
1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.(However there are no  such  case known in 2014 for them to be exceptions. Possibilities yes, Exceptions,no)
1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved.(As possibilities but not as exceptions) It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
-Lionel Andrades

Error in the Catechism of the Catholic Church : SSPX has to accept it for full reconciliation
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/error-in-catechism-of-catholic-church.html#links

All the Cardinals and Bishops at the Synod on the family in their catechesis will use the irrational right hand column in the intepretation of Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/all-cardinals-at-synod-on-family-in.html#links

CCC 1257 ‘God is not limited to the Sacraments’ does not contradict itself, Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/ccc-1257-god-is-not-limited-to.html

Error in the Catechism of the Catholic Church : SSPX has to accept it for full reconciliation


There is an error in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) and the SSPX priests will have to accept it for full reconciliation.
We do not know of any one in 2014 who can be saved without the baptism of water. No magisterial text ( except the Letter of the Holy Office 1949) claims there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Yet in CCC 1257 the Catechism says God is not bound to the Sacraments. In other words, someone can be saved defacto, in 2014, without the Sacraments. It  would be known to us, it would seem,  for it to be an exception to all needing to convert into the Catholic Church.
So the dogma on exclusive salvation has been superseded because of the 'known'cases in the present times ( since the Catechism was issued).
This is  all irrational. The SSPX has to accept this irrationality of their being known exceptions.
 Where do the Church Fathers or the Medieval Fathers  say that there are known exceptions  to all needing the baptism of water? Who can name any known exception in the present times?
The exception would have to be in the present times, for it to be an exception.
How can there be exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus when we do not know  any exception and cannot know them ? They would be only known to God.  Since if someone was saved with the baptism of desire this person would be in Heaven and only God could see and know this person.How can he be an exception on earth to  all needing the baptism of water?
CCC 1260 says there are substitutes for the baptism of water( in the present times).Where are the substitutes ? The baptism of desire  etc was never an exception or relevant to the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.An injustice was done to this priest.
Today a priest can offer the Novus Ordo Mass and hold the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus  since the baptism of desire etc are not exceptions.
The mistake in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257-1260 needs to be identified by the SSPX before they sign an agreement.Since with this error the Vatican Curia interprets Vatican Council II. LG 16,UR 3,NA 2 etc are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus for them and so the Council is a break with Tradition.
-Lionel Andrades

CCC 1257: Muslims and other non Catholics





According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1257) all Muslims and other non Catholics need the baptism of water for salvation, since 'God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism'.

So they are oriented to Hell. 
We do not know any exception in 2014 that is, when 'God is not bound to the Sacraments'.
.- Lionel Andrades

1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

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