Tuesday, September 23, 2014

Once again the Vatican threatens SSPX with penalties if they do not accept the Jewish Left version of Vatican Council II ?

On March 18,2012 I wrote on this blog that Cardinal Luis Ladaria ( who was present today at the SSPX-Vatican Meeting) and the SSPX team made a specific doctrinal error and the talks had collapsed. The Vatican was now holding the excommunication/penalty card unless the SSPX accepted the Jewish Left- approved version of Vatican  Council II i.e  Vatican Council II interpreted with the irrational premise.1
According to the Vatican communique, at today's meeting Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was also present. It is now known that he made a doctrinal error in two theological papers of the International Theological Commission.They can be read on line.

He interprets the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assuming that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are visible to us in real life and these  cases are explicit exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Similarly, he states on the ITC website that Lumen Gentium 16 etc are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In other words those non Catholics who have died in invincible ignorance and who are in Heaven without the baptism of water are exceptions to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney. The dead are exceptions!So  Vatican  Council II is a break with Tradition for him.
He is aware of this error but this is the interpretation of Vatican Council II which is expected of him by the Jewish Left.It is with this objective error that the SSPX will have to accept Vatican Council II.
Without this irrationality Vatican Council II is in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Ad Gentes 7 supports the dogma on exclusive salvation and LG 16,NA 2 etc are not known exceptions in 2014.The SSPX should discuss this issue and make it public.I affirm Vatican Council II without the irrational premise.The SSPX and the Vatican Curia can do the same.
For Cardinal Muller there are known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He mentioned this in an interview with the National Catholic Register
Archbishop Augustine di Noia who was present at today's meeting also when asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus by the National Catholic Register's Edward Pentin, said Lumen Gentium 8, those saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth',referred to an exception to the dogma.In other words these cases refer to persons  actually present in 2014 for them to be exceptions. He also said that he knew Protestants who would be going to Heaven. In other words he could judge that they did not need Catholic Faith  (AG 7) for salvation and would be saved.
 The SSPX will  have to accept all these doctrinal errors for reconciliation and to avoid negative actions against them as meted out to the Franciscans of the Immaculate.
The SSPX  will have to deny their General Chapter Statement 2012 in which it was said that the SSPX affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions.

In spite of so many reports on this blog the Holy See Press Office has never commented on this issue of Vatican Council II being interpreted without the irrational premise.The SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate have the option of accepting Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise. The Holy See Office for political reasons would not comment. 
Here is the Vatican Press Communique issued  today.
On the morning of Tuesday 23 September from 11 am to 1 pm, a cordial meeting took place at the premises of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, between Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Muller, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the Society of St. Pius X. The meeting was also attended by Archbishops Luis Francisco Ladaria Ferrer, S.I., secretary of the same Congregation, Joseph Augustine Di Noia, O.P., adjunct secretary and Guido Pozzo, secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, along with two assistants from the Society of St. Pius X, Rev. Niklaus Pfluger and Rev. Alain-Marc Nély.
"During the meeting, various problems of a doctrinal and canonical nature were examined, and it was decided to proceed gradually and over a reasonable period of time in order to overcome difficulties and with a view to the envisioned full reconciliation."
'Over a reasonable period of time' they are not going to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican  Council II, one rational and the other irrational and the present one accepted (and acceptable in the future) is the irrational one, the one with the false premise of being able to see the dead.
This is the MISSING LINKwe have to be aware of it when interpreting Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston and other magisterial documents (Dominus Iesus,Redemptoris Mission, Mystici Corporis etc).The premise is the MISSING LINK. It decides if the Council is traditional or a break with Tradition.
 For the Vatican there can only be 'full reconciliation' with the false premise,with which Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents are read.The Holy Spirit cannot teach this irrationality. Yet this is what the SSPX will have to accept unless they make this issue public.
-Lionel Andrades


SUNDAY, MARCH 18, 2012

Cardinal Luis Ladaria and the SSPX team made a specific doctrinal error : Vatican SSPX talks collapse

Vatican threatens SSPX with excommunication if they do not except Jewish Left version of Vatican Council II
The Vatican has issued a communiqué regarding the failed talks with the SSPX (1) and seems to suggest that the SSPX could once again be excommunicated if they do not accept Vatican Council II as interpreted by the Jewish Left media and political institutions and Catholic liberals.(2)

The SSPX accepts Vatican Council II as a historical event and recognizes that there are many interpretations of the Council.

They reject the interpretation of Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, the Vatican Secretary of State accompanied by the former Rector of the Angelicum University,Fr.Charles Morerod O.P,  who is now a bishop in Switzerland. They both made a doctrinal error when officiating at theInternational Theological Commission.(3)

The same error is being made by the SSPX.

None of them will comment on this doctrinal issue.
-Lionel Andrades

At the conclusion of today’s meeting, out of a concern for avoiding an ecclesial rupture with painful and incalculable consequences, the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X was invited to be so kind as to clarify his position so as to heal the existing rift, as Pope Benedict XVI wished.

Saturday, February 25, 2012

Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus 


Cardinal Betori Forbids Immemorial Mass -- The Dilemma of the "Conservatives" Under Pope Francis

(Florence) The "tragedy" of so-called "conservatives" in the Church under Pope Francis is currently being revealed emblematically in Florence, says lawyer Carlo Manetti. This coming Sept.25, Father Serafino Lanzetta, of the "Commissariat"- oppressed, Franciscans of the Immaculate,will announce in Florence, his latest book: "The Second Vatican Council: a Pastoral Council" .
It may be mentioned that Cardinal Archbishop of Florence Giuseppe Betori, has prohibited the public celebration of Holy Mass in the traditional Rite by Father Serafino Lanzetta.
Father Lanzetta had been the Prior of the Order, at its convent in Florence. Since then he lives in "exile" in the monastery of Kitzbühel.
Fr.Lanzetta and the Franciscan Friars were forced by the Apostolic Commissar Father Fidenzio Volpi. to leave Florence. The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate Florence must also leave the city.

The Archbishop, the Old Mass and "Reasons of Expediency"

The organizers of the conference requested Archbishop Giuseppe Cardinal Betori, to allow Father Lanzetta to offer the Traditional Latin Mass for the participants of the meertng. The request was rejected by the cardinal.
In the book, which is at the same time a Doctoral thesis, Father Lanzetta has analyzed, with meticulous documentation,the main currents of the Second Vatican Council.(Also see report Mental Power of an Exile - Habilitation Thesis of Father Lanzetta Presented on Second Vatican Council ). The preface for the book is written by the theologian Manfred Hauke. A book of "incontrovertible orthodoxy," said Carlo Manetti in an interview. Manetti is the editor of the book:Un caso che fa discutere: i Franciscan of the Immaculate (Franciscans of the Immaculate: One Case that Provides Discussions, Fede & Cultura, Verona).
A lecturer in International Relations, Manetti is one of the speakers at the conference, to be held in the ballroom of the Regional Parliament of Tuscany. Among others, the historian Roberto de Mattei (European University of Rome) and Pietro De Marco (University of Florence) will speak, as well as representatives of Catholic media, Guido Scatizzi (Riscossa Christiana) and Pucci Cipriani ( Controrivoluzione ). The organizer of the conference is the traditional association Communion Tradizionale of Florence.Its president, Ascanio Ruschi had appealed to the Archbishop and he received the written rejection.
  The interview of Carlo Manetti was conducted by Domenico Rosa for Il Sito di Firenze .

The No of Cardinal Betori to Father Lanzetta and Traditional Rite

Carlo Manetti on the "conservatives" in the new "climate" of Pope Francis
It seems Cardinal Betori, who is counted among the "conservative" bishops, does not consider the book by Father Lanzetta as "orthodox" ...
Manetti:...(Cardinal Betori) expressly forbids Father Serafino from offering the Traditional Latin Mass in public.One can see no doctrinal condemnation of the book's content.But - if one may say - it is a "political" condemnation of the text...
If you allow, I would like to extend the question still to the drama, not to say, tragedy, to the present situation in which the so-called "conservative" Catholics find themself. They would like,perhaps, to return to the truth in their hearts, but reasons of practical expediency, which are called "pastoral" today ," compel them to accept this... So, to avoid the current widespread accusations of "traditionalism" or more recently even "crypto-Lefebvrianism", they are forced to represent opinions that actually represent the progressive Catholic extremism.
How do you explain the ban in the Church of San Gaetano to celebrate a Holy Mass in the traditional rite ... the church which is supervised by the Old Rite Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest? How do you see this "turnaround" of the Archbishop of Florence, who generously supported the traditional Mass until recently and the Old Ritual community churches entrusted to his care?
Manetti: As the Cardinal himself stated in his letter, the reasons are not doctrinal, but pastoral, political, ideological. Today, after the accession of Pope Francis, the "most endangered" prelates, the so-called "conservatives" are exactly like that. The case of Cardinal Piacenza for example showed: the first 'defenestrated' by the new Pope. They are forced to show themselves as far more progressive than their colleagues to provide evidence of their loyalty to the "new course". For the progressives whose resistance acted against Benedict XVI., is today, however, like a life insurance policy, a guarantee certificate for the future that they believe in the so-called new "Church of Mercy"...
Father Serafino Lanzetta is not a dangerous heretic?
Manetti: Of course not. Father Serafino Lanzetta is not only not a dangerous heretic, but - despite his young age - one of the greatest living theologians, brilliant and profound....
How is the provisional administration of the Franciscans of the Immaculate to end, after most of the brothers have unsuccessfully made ​​the request to be allowed to leave the Order?
Manetti: Everything happening so far suggests that there is a deliberate intention is to "liquidate" the Order of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, both the male and the female branch. All measures, sometimes accelerated, sometimes slowed down, aim at this. It can be seen plainly that the case of the Franciscans of the Immaculate reveal the violent face of modernism..
I would therefore like to take the opportunity of this interview to prompt all, in the defense the truth about the Order of the Franciscans of the Immaculate founded by Father Manelli and Father Pellettieri, to persevere...because the silence can only profit the persecutors.
Introduction / Translation: Giuseppe Nardi
image: Messa in Latino / Carlo Manetti
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com

(from Eponymous Flower abridged)

Something Wicked

Catholic Legate's Art Sippo, John Pacecho and Peter Vere still use Cushingism

The Catholic Legate has a tag on salvation but  does not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in any of its posts since their apologists infer, like the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 that there are known exceptions, to all needing to convert into the Church to avoid Hell and go to Heaven in the present times.
Similar to the Society of St.Pius X this issue is confusing for them so they have not touched it. They  mention the Church Fathers  on the 'Return of the Jews' but skip Vatican Council II which states all need faith and baptism for salvation(Ad Gentes7 ). There is know mention of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since Art Sippo,John Pacheco and Peter Vere  still use Cushingism.
-Lionel Andrades

St.Thomas Aquinas Seminary of the SSPX does not list Salvation in the tags.


Muller-Fellay Meeting: Just two points needed

They just have to make an announcement on two points, two principles, two observations and they can break away from the Jewish Left propaganda on Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades

Meeting needed between Ecclesia Dei/CDF, SSPX,CMRI and others: all agree that the baptism of desire is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus


Now at the end of their 'career' asking the Vatican Curia to discuss a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II must have been too much for them

Cardinal Raymond Burke was following the Jewish Left concept of Vatican Council II.He may have read the appeal 1 of the Franciscans of the Sisters of the Immaculate asking him to identify a Vatican Council II with or without the premise.The appeal said to  ask Cardinal Joao Braz de Aviz which of the two interpretations was acceptable.Also  which of the two  interpretationswas the Sisters expected to follow.He was removed from office.
Cardinal Joao Braz de Aviz and Fr.Fidenzio Volpi were always interpreting Vatican Council II with the irrational premise and so was Cardinal Raymond Burke.
Now at the end of their 'career' asking the Vatican Curia to discuss a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II must have been too much for them.
-Lionel Andrades


September 5,2014

Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate appeal to the Signatura with the following facts

Investigation against Cardinal Joao Vraz de Aviz blocked-Burke removed



Did the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate appeal to Cardinal Burke ?


Pope Francis and the Vatican Curia want the Franciscans of the Immaculate to interpret Church documents with an irrationality : appeal for justice http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/pope-francis-and-vatican-curia-want.htm


Domes from Rome and theology from Boston

It was the first month for me at the Pontifical Maria Mater Ecclesia seminary in Rome and a Legionary of Christ priest took us seminarians to see some of the  churches and pilgrimage sights in Rome. He  made a passing comment on  the domes of the churches in Rome.This  architecture spread  throughout Europe from Rome.
Similarly- I say to myself, the concept of the baptism of desire being an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as inferred  in the Letter of the Holy Office, has spread  throughout the Catholic Church. It is there in many Church documents including Vatican Council II.The error is the basis for   theology in the Catholic Church.We do not know of a single case of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance and the Letter of the Holy Office basis a theology on this irrationality. This  objective error originated in the 1940's during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.Now it is common for Catholics to say that the baptism of desire is an explicit exception to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. In other words these cases are known and visible for them to be exceptions. How can the baptism of desire be an exception to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney ? How can it even be relevant?
The domes spread from Rome to the rest of Europe and the- dead- are- visible- and- are  exceptions- to -extra ecclesiam nulla salus theory , has spread from Boston to the whole Church.-Lionel Andrades