Monday, September 15, 2014

Vatican Council II itself supports the SSPX General Chapter Statement- no one is discussing this point

It has been quite a few years that I have been writing on the same thing.The Jewish left would object to my interpretation of Vatican  Council II as they objected to the Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews.Now they want the SSPX to sign a Doctrinal Preamble and accept Vatican Council II interpreted always with the irrational premise.
 In the SSPX General Chapter  Statement it was said that the SSPX would accept extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions.
This statement would not be acceptable to the Chief Rabbi in Rome.
But it is Vatican Council II itself which affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions. No one is discussing this point.
It is Vatican Council II (AG 7) which is in agreement with the passage:
For this reason it seems opportune that we reaffirm our faith in the Roman Catholic Church, the unique Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, outside of which there is no salvation nor possibility to find the means leading to salvation- SSPX General Chapter Statement 2012
It is important for the SSPX, to announce at the Muller-Fellay meeting, that Vatican Council II and all magisterial documents can be affirmed keeping in mind the principle that we human beings cannot see the deceased now saved in Heaven and these deceased are not living exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So when Cardinal Muller cites Lumen Gentium 16 ( being saved in invincible ignorance without the baptism of water) as an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the SSPX must respond 'We humans cannot see the deceased saved in invincible  ignorance and these persons are not living exceptions in 2014 to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.' Lumen Gentium 16 does not contradict the General Chapter Statement on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This could be clarified before signing a Doctrinal Preamble.2.
Likewise if Archbishop Augustine di Noia  says that those saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth' (LG 8) are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus  the SSPX must respond that they accept LG 8,LG 16 etc .They accept them as being invisible for us,hypothethical probabilities,known only to God. For the SSPX they are not objective, seen in the flesh cases. Hypothetical cases cannot be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So they are not exceptions in 2014 to all needing the baptism of water for salvation.
In this way the SSPX can affirm Vatican Council II  and the General Chapter Statement  and the Vatican cannot object by saying that the SSPX muist accept Vatican Council II.
This will not be acceptable to the Jewish Left but at least they cannot say  that the SSPX does not accept Vatican Council II. The SSPX can announce that they accept Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council  II  which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
AD Gentes 7  is in agreement with the General Chapter Statement  on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. LG 8,LG 16 ,NA 2,UR 3 etc are not exceptions to Ad Gentes  7 since we cannot see the dead on earth. The deceased-saved cannot be living exceptions on earth to all needing the baptism of water  and Catholic Faith for salvation.This is common knowledge.
This has to be clarified in public preferably before the Muller-Fellay meeting.Otherwise it will be said that the SSPX is not accepting Vatican Council II and so penalties must follow.
The SSPX must show Cardinal Muller that there is an interpretation of Vatican Council II compatible  with tradition and that they will always reject Cardinal  Muller and the Jewish Left interpretation  of  Vatican Council II with  the premise of the  dead in Heaven being visible exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is only with this irrationality that the Council is  a break with extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The fundamental  issue is : are there invisible or visible for us cases mentioned in Vatcican Council II, who could be exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
This is something that the SSPX's  Fr.J.M Gleize and Fr. Francois Laisney never understood.So the last doctrinal talks were a failure.Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J and Bishop Charles Morerod  O.P presented Vatican Council II with the irrational premise and Fr.J.M Gleize did not object.
Whatever be your position on Fr.Leonard Feeney, NA 2, LG 16,LG 8 etc do not contradict  AG 7 and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Vatican Council II without the premise is pro-Tradition.
-Lionel Andrades

SSPX affim Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, keeping this principle before you

 According to the President of Italy Giorgio Napolitano, the Liberation Theologian Fr.Gustavo Guttierrez and others ,Pope Francis has rejected Catholic dogmas and traditional teachings of the Church.According to the Vatican Pope Francis still wants the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) to only accept Vatican Council II.
The pope means Vatican Council II interpreted with an irrational premise which is a break with dogmatic teachings.
So at the next Muller-Fellay meeting the SSPX has to make one simple announcement and they can have it both ways i.e accept traditional dogmas and also Vatican Council II. This would be Vatican Council II without the irrational premise.This would meet the Vatican requirements.
They must make a simple announcement saying to the effect, that according to reason and Catholic tradition, they do not know any case of a non Catholic now saved in Heaven who is also physically visible to them on earth. So they, the  SSPX, interpret all magisterial documents knowing that the deceased who are now in Heaven, are not living exceptions ,to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation. There are no visible exceptions.
So in their last General Chapter Statement it was declared that there are no exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The SSPX will agree to affim Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, keeping this principle before them.
The Masons within the Catholic Church will panic!
-Lionel Andrades

SSPX get smart!


Bishop Fellay must meet Cardinal Muller without an air of doctrinal superiority