At both these Catholic Conferences they will interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church with an irrational premise.At the conference above they will accept Vatican Council II as a break with the infallible teaching of the Church. At the one below they will reject Vatican Council II using the same irrational premise in the interpretation.
None of the speakers will speak about how assuming the dead who are now in Heaven are visible exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in 2014 makes Vatican Council II liberal or traditional, heretical or de fide.
It will be taken for granted that those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), a ray of the Truth(NA 2) are replacements for the baptism of water in the present times. So they will all reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The basis of the error at the two conferences comes from the time when the Holy Office 1949 and the Archbishop of Boston, in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case, assumed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, were exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. They did not realize that if they were claiming that these cases were exceptions they were implying that these cases were known to us, or visible for us.But these cases are in Heaven! How can they be visible exceptions to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston? And if someone is not visible and known then how can he or she be an exception, be different ?
Many of the speakers know what I am saying here but they do not want to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus for personal reasons.
The Roman Forum conference was held recently and this issue was not discussed or commented upon. Prosperous men and women, Catholic leaders, are afraid of leftist laws and having to pay fines and compensations and lose their reputation or employment.
Members of the Latin Mass Societies are also informed. They will not comment for fear of being suppressed. They prefer to talk of Vatican Council II being a break with the past and not specifying that they mean Vatican Council II with the irrational premise and not the one with the irrational inference. If there is one without the irrational premise and it affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus, it would be prudent to avoid it, is their wordly attitude.-Lionel Andrades