Tuesday, September 9, 2014

Two Catholic Conferences : Both interpret Vatican Council II with an irrational premise.One accepts the Council the other rejects it.

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At both these Catholic Conferences they will interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church with an irrational premise.At the conference above they will accept Vatican Council II as a break with the infallible teaching of the Church. At the one below they will reject Vatican Council II using the same irrational premise in the interpretation.
None of the speakers will speak about how assuming the dead who are now in Heaven are visible exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation in 2014 makes Vatican Council II liberal or traditional, heretical or de fide.
It will be taken for granted that those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), a ray of the Truth(NA 2) are replacements for the baptism of water in the present times. So they will all reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The basis of the error at the two conferences comes from the time when the Holy Office 1949 and the Archbishop of Boston, in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case, assumed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, were exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. They did not realize that if they were claiming that these cases were exceptions they were implying that these cases were known to us, or visible for us.But these cases are in Heaven! How can they be visible exceptions to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston? And if someone is not visible and known then how can he or she be an exception, be different ?
Many of the speakers know what I am saying here but they do not want to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus for personal reasons.
The Roman Forum conference was held recently and this issue was not discussed or commented upon. Prosperous men and women, Catholic leaders, are afraid of leftist laws and having to pay fines and compensations and lose their reputation or employment.
Members of the Latin Mass Societies are also informed. They will not comment for fear of being suppressed. They prefer to talk of  Vatican Council II being a break with the past and not specifying that they mean Vatican Council II with the irrational premise and not the one with the irrational inference. If there is one without the irrational premise and it affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus, it would be prudent to avoid it, is their wordly attitude.-Lionel Andrades

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Muller-Fellay Meeting: Cardinal Muller will not accept Vatican Council II without the irrational premise and he wants the SSPX, FFI to use the false premise with the Council and Catechism ?

Archbishop Gerhard Muller will expect Bishop Bernard Fellay to accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church with the objective error in CCC.1257 .Then with the same  irrational premise he will expect the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) to accept Vatican Council II in which Ad Gentes 7, it will be inferred, contradicts Lumen Gentium 16.
Archbishop Muller in public used this irrational premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. So for him Vatican Council II was a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He did this when interviewed by Edward Pentin for the National Catholic Register.
So for the cardinal, it is always Vatican Council II interpreted with the irrational premise of being able to see on earth the deceased now saved in invincible ignorance etc and these deceased who are visible in the flesh, are explicit exceptions;living exceptions,  to all needing faith and baptism for salvation in the Catholic Church. For Archbishop Muller there is known salvation (visible) outside the Church.Since invisible  cases for him are defacto exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
He will expect the SSPX to use this irrationality in the interpretation and acceptance of Vatican Council II, otherwise he will say that the SSPX is in schism. He can later place restrictions on the SSPX. If the SSPX does not specify and say that there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II and that he is using the irrational one- then it is their fault. In a sense they will deserve what is coming to them.
Bishop Bernard Fellay must also ask his District Superiors to discuss this issue in public before he attends the next meeting with Cardinal Muller.
The SSPX leadership must know by now that there can only be one rational interpretation of Vatican Council II and it is one in which the false premise is not being used.Vatican Council II then will not contradict itself and neither will it contradict the infallible teachings of the Catholic Church.
They must discuss how Cardinal Muller is using the irrational inference in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and so the Council is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He has rejected the dogma in public in the  interview with Edward Pentin. This is heresy and a mortal sin.He is also rejecting the dogma on the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra
No where in Vatican Council II is it said that there are visible exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus or that the dogma has been retracted. It is this heretical and schismatic new doctrine that Cardinal Muller, with the support of Pope Francis is trying to thrust down the throat of members of the Franciscans of the Immaculate in particular, and Catholics in general.
The District Superiors of the SSPX  must discuss how they can ask Cardinal Muller to  first accept a rational interpretation of the Council with rational and traditional conclusions. The traditional conclusion will be, all Jews, Muslims and other non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).It means  there are no known exceptions in 2014, no visible for us exceptions. It means that the text of  Vatican Council II does not mention NA 2, LG 16,LG 8 etc as exceptions. These  cases are invisible for us.
This is an error in two theological  papers of the International Theological Commission and the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has not corrected the ITC.
Call a press conference, or make this public and let Cardinal Muller respond , before the meeting is held.The secular media, those editors who discern the error, are not going to make this issue public since it would contradict the agenda of the  leftists etc the One World Reiigion people.
Find out - would Cardinal Muller, not be willing to accept Vatican Council II (without the irrational premise).Would he  still want  the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate to also use the false premise in the interpretation of the Council and Catechism ? This must be asked before the next Muller-Fellay meeting.
The SSPX may decide that they will go through the formality of the meeting and hold on to their traditional position irrespective,but they will be keeping silent over the heresy and sin of Cardinal Muller and so many at the Vatican. They will be saying as before, when they pray the Nicene Creed, "We believe in three or more baptisms for the forgiveness of sin, and these  baptisms are known substitutes for the baptism of water." 'Three known baptisms or one known baptism ?', the SSPX must ask.
-Lionel Andrades

I accept the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney and endorse an implicit for us and visible only for God baptism of desire


'Subsistit it'(LG 8) is not a VISIBLE exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


Editor refuses to define her terms.Infers that the baptism of desire is not invisible but visible for us.SSPX has made a mistake

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