Monday, July 7, 2014

No acknowledgment from the Vatican Press Office to 12 questions :Franciscans of the Immaculate

On July 3,2014 when I received an e-mail from the Vatican Press Office 1 from Cristina Ravenda I asked her if she could  kindly answer the 12 questions regarding Catholic doctrine which the Franciscans of the Immaculate are expected to accept.I asked what was the position of the Vatican with reference to the 12 points mentioned in the following blog post.
 
July 3, 2014
RELATIVES OF THE FRANCISCAN SISTERS OF THE IMMACULATE : ASK THE VATICAN AND THE SISTERS TO CLARIFY THESE POINTS ON DOCTRINE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/relatives-of-franciscan-sisters-of.html#links
 
There was no acknowledgment from the Vatican Office. I do not know if they have received my e-mail or will they answer it.
 
   

Here  are the 12 questions.

QUESTIONS:

1. Do they  (Franciscans of the Immaculate / Vatican ) affirm ' a ray of the Truth(Nostra Aetate 2), as  being invisible for us or visible in the flesh for us?

2.Do they affirm an invisible for us ' seeds of the Word' (Ad Gentes 11, Vatican Council II) or a visible for us saved with the 'seeds of the Word'?
3.Do they affirm an invisible for us having been saved in 'imperfect communion with the Church' or do they claim there is a physically visible case of a non Catholic saved in 'imperfect communion with the Church' ?
4.Do they affirm an invisible for us saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16, Letter of the Holy Office 1949) or a case of someone physically visible in 2014 saved in invincible ignorance ?
5.Do the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate/Vatican  affirm an invisible for us being saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8) or are these cases visible in the flesh?
6.Do the Sisters affirm an invisible for us implicit desire/baptism of desire or are these cases visible for us and so are an exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
7.Do the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate  affirm all salvation mentioned to or alluded to in Vatican Council II as being invisible in Heaven for us on earth or are they physically seen in heaven and/ or  earth?
 
 
I,Lionel Andrades, affirm an invisible for  me baptism of desire and I reject an explicit for us baptism of desire.Is this the teaching of the Catholic Church or am I in heresy, according to the Franciscans of the Immaculate/Vatican ? Note: I am not denying implicit baptism of desire as a possibility. I am denying the existence of an explicit,objectively visible baptism of desire.
8.For me Vatican Council II is traditional.Since Ad Gentes 7 ( all need faith and baptism for salvation) is in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus and NA 2, AG 11,LG 8, LG 16, UR 3 etc are not visible to us.So they are not physically known exceptions.Is  it the same for the Franciscan Sisters of  the Immaculate/Vatican ?
 
9.For me the Holy Office 1949 has made a mistake in assuming that implicit desire/baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to visible cases.The Holy Office 1949 infers that these physically visible cases are a known exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.Do the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate also make this inference ?
10.For me Vatican Council II (without the inference of the dead-saved being visible)  has a hermeneutic of continuity with no ambiguities.For others Vatican Council II (with the inference) has a hermeneutic of rupture, with ambiguities and contradictions.Is this true also for the Franciscan Sisters  of the Immaculate and the Vatican?
 
11.For me AG 7, Vatican Council II ( all need explicit faith and the baptism of water for salvation) does not contradict LG 16 ( saved with implicit invincible ignorance). Is this true also for the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate ?'
12.Pope Pius XII and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 do not criticize Cardinal Richard Cushing the Archbishop of Boston. It does not say that those saved with the baptism of desire and baptism of blood are not visible to us.So there is no salvation outside the Church.There is no defacto salvation outside the Church and de facto, all need the baptism of water.Instead the Holy Office has criticized Fr.Leonard Feeney after inferring that the baptism of desire is explicit for us in real life (defacto) and so is a (defacto) exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 Did the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 make a mistake according to the Franciscans of the Immaculate/Vatican ? -Lionel Andrades
 

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Asking the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept Vatican Council II with an irrational inference violates their conscience : laws in Italy

The Vatican Press Office has not denied that the Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate have to accept Vatican Council II in which all references to salvation (NA 2, UR3 etc) must be assumed to be visible on earth.These 'visible cases', the Franciscans have to opine, are real, known,visible in the flesh exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They would have to be visible and known for them to be exceptions.This is affirmed by the Vatican cardinals and popes and is believed to be the interpretation of Pope Francis and Catholics at large.
 
Upon this irrational premise i.e being able to see the dead in Heaven who are physically visible on earth and are alleged exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation, the Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate, have to build a fantasy theology. This non-real theology says there is salvation outside the Church. Since, there is salvation outside the Church, the Franciscans of the Immaculate, must acknowledge Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition.
So in conscience they have to tell a lie. They have to deny what is common knowledge i. e we humans in general cannot see the dead who are now in Heaven.
 
Even secularists would understand that this is a conscience issue and is not the teaching of the Catholic Church.Yet it is being forced upon the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. This is the condition, the lie , they must endorse to be able to offer the Traditional Latin Mass and to have teaching faculties once again.
Their seminary has been closed.Since it could be ideological for the pope to interpret Vatican Council II without the irrational premise.The result would be a traditional Vatican Council II.
 
The seminarians who had to leave the seminary because it was closed down by Pope Francis, have been asked to enroll at pontifical seminaries in Rome. Here they must say that they can see the dead saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8), seeds of the Word(AG 11), good and holy things in other religions(UR 3) and a ray of the Truth(NA 2).

 These deceased-visible are exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation. Yet none of the seminarians can see the deceased in Heaven.This is a conscience issue. Nether can the priest-professors at the pontifical universities  see these deceased-saved.Yet the pontifical university forces the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminarians , and others also,to affirm the absurd.

This is the condition for studying there.If a seminarian says that he cannot see the dead and so Vatican Council II is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, according to Tradition, he will be expelled.
Lay Catholics,including the relatives of the religious, must do something about this. The Franciscans of the Immaculate are being asked to violate their conscience and affirm Vatican Council II with an irrational statement.It must be noted that there are secular laws in Italy related to freedom of conscience.The Apostolic Signatura,unfortunately, permits this general violation of conscience.-Lionel Andrades

Can the Franciscans Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate affirm Vatican Council II without this fantasy premise ? No one at the Vatican Press Office wants to answer

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/can-franciscans-friars-and-sisters-of.html#links 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/franciscans-of-immaculate-are-not.html#links 

Vatican wants the Franciscan Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate to accept this irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/vatican-wants-franciscan-friars-and.html#links 

Lombardi says Franciscans of the Immaculate a 'delicate subject' : ignores Vatican's doctrinal ambiguities

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/lombardi-says-franciscans-of-immaculate.html#links 

Can the Franciscans Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate affirm Vatican Council II without this fantasy premise ? No one at the Vatican Press Office wants to answer

Vatican officials are not answering two simple questions 1, whose answer even a young boy with no knowledge of theology, would know.
Without clarifying the answer to the two questions,related  to Catholic doctrine, they want the Franciscans of the Immaculate (FI) to accept Vatican Council II.
If they answered the two questions they, and the FI  would be accepting Vatican Council II without the irrationality.The Council would be traditional.'Stay away from me' is their message.
The answer to these two questions would show that Vatican Council II is politically non correct and non heretical. when an irrational premise is avoided.
Fr.Frederico Lombardi last Thursday issued a statement on the FI   while not answering the doctrinal questions.
Similarly Cardinal George Pell in Rome refused to answer the two questions.It is the same with Mons.Monsignor Lorenzo Leuzzi, the head of the Department for Pastoral Care (Pastorale per Salute) for the Sick, of the Vicariate of Rome.
Fr.Frederico Lombardi,Prefect of the Vatican's Press Office  has not answered why the Franciscans of the Immaculate should accept Vatican Council II with an irrationality. The irrationality is  the premise of being able to see the saved in heaven who are physically visible exceptions on earth, to all needing the baptism of water for salvation; all needing to convert into the Church.
Can the Franciscans Friars and Sisters of the Immaculate affirm Vatican Council II without  this fantasy premise ? No one at the Vatican Press Office wants to answer.
It is usually said "We don't want to discuss theology".
 "Do the Franciscans of the Immaculate have to accept an irrational premise in their theology?"  The Vatican officials could answer , "Yes they have to !".
 



Are they free to accept any theology? Can they accept the 'old theology'  without the fantasy premise. Is the Batman version of Vatican Council II 3 obligatory for the Franciscans of the Immaculate and all Catholics ? No answer from the official sources on an issue of the Catholic Faith.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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TWO QUESTIONS
 1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2014 ? 2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible to us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or Ad Gentes 7 which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation?
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