Wednesday, June 4, 2014

Fischer More College and the Franciscans of the Immaculate have to accept these lies to be allowed the Traditional Latin Mass.

Fischer More College and the Franciscans of the Immaculate have to accept these lies to be able to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.

1) All references to salvation in Vatican Council II are implicit, invisible and hypothetical. The FMC( Fischer More College, USA)  and FFI (Franciscans of the Immaculate) have to LIE and state that these cases  are explicit, visible in the flesh, seen in real life in 2014.

The FFI and FMC are  expected to assume that these cases are defacto known to them in the present times.This is a LIE.







2) Being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), elements of sanctification and truth (LG 8), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3), seeds of the Word (AG 11) are implicit, invisible in personal cases and hypothetical  for us all.

 
The FFI and FMC  are expected to assume that these cases are visible, explicit and , known in reality in 2014 for them. When they make this objective error they will be allowed to offer the TLM. They have to LIE. 
3) Since all salvation referred to in Vatican Council II  are probabilities, and not defacto known in personal cases, they are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism for salvation)

The FFI and FMC  are expected to assume that these cases are exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation.This is a LIE.


 
 4) In the Catholic diocese of Worcester,USA , the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the community of Fr.Leonard  Feeney who have full canonical status affirm the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. All salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston  are not explicit exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma according to Fr.Leonard Feeney. They are no known personally. So they cannot be exceptions.
 All religious communities, and the FFI and FMC must  affirm the dogma on exclusive salvation in accord with Vatican Council II (AG 7).This is rational. Yet the Vatican wants them to affirm an irrational version of Vatican Council II to be able to offer the TLM.They want them to LIE.
 5)The Prefect of the Congregation for Religious and bishops have made a Profession of Faith, upon taking their new assignment during the pontificate of Pope Francis. They must have recited the Nicene Creed. In the Nicene Creed they said ' I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin'.
 They were referring to one known baptism, the baptism of water and not three known baptisms water, desire and blood.
 The baptism of desire is not known to us explicitly and martyrdom is only judged by God.Since they infer there is salvation outside the Church they were referring to three or more baptism. The FFI and FMC must accept this LIE.
  In the Nicene Creed we pray  'I  believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church...'.
 The Holy Spirit teaches the Catholic Church that the dead saved in invincible ignorance are visible to us on earth for them to be exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors ( on other religions and Christian communities and churches) and Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism).They must accept this LIE about these cases being visible to us and so are exceptions to the traditional teaching which says all must convert into the Catholic Church.


 6) The FFI and FMC members  can attend the Novus Ordo or Tridentine Rite Mass affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Vatican Council II. Ecclesiology has not been changed.
 Since there are no explicit, visible,defacto, objective, known  exceptions in 2014 to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, there is no basis for 'a theology of religions', 'new ecclesiology', 'ecumenism of non return' and 'development of doctrine' on salvation.
The FFI and FMC however have to accept the LIE about there being  known salvation outside the Church. It is visible in the flesh.

 7) Cardinals and bishops  do not know the name of anyone saved outside the Catholic Church in 2014? Yet the FMC and FFI must assume there are such persons. This is another LIE.

8) When the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1257) says 'God is not limited to the Sacraments ', it is referring to cases known only to God and which are invisible, hypothetical, accepted in theory, accepted in principle (de jure) and not explicit and known in personal cases.
 So those who are saved without the Sacraments, being unknown to us, are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The FFI and FMC must say these cases are visible for us and so are  exceptions. It is only then they can offer the TLM.They have to LIE.

 

9) When the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 indicates that all who are saved in other religions are saved through Jesus and the Church, these cases are not explicit for cardinals and bishops.
 So they are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the traditional teaching on other religions and Christians communities and churches.To offer the TLM the FMC and FFI must LIE. They have to claim these cases are visible for us in 2014.Otherwise how could they be exceptions?
 

10) Those who know that the Catholic Church was founded by God through Jesus Christ and yet do not enter and are damned (LG 14) and those in invincible ignorance of the Gospel through no fault of their own and who are saved (LG 16) are hypothetical cases, which are not exceptions to Tradition. Those who know are known  only to God. Those who do not know and are in invincible ignorance and saved, are known only to God. The FMC and FFI must LIE and presume that we know these cases on earth. So they are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 
11) The cardinals and bishops of the Vatican Curia  do not affirm Vatican Council II in accord with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Nicene Creed. The FFI and FMC have to  do the same to be able to offer the TLM.

Lionel Andrades

Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate appeal to the Apostolic Signatura for a clarificationhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/02/petition-needed-calling-attention-to.html#links

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http://marymagdalen.blogspot.it/2014/06/an-irish-hermitess.html

Pope Francis, Jesuits review the Fr.Leonard Feeney case

Jesuit pope must be petitioned to correct the factual error of his community in the 1940's in Bostonhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/03/jesuit-pope-must-be-petitioned-to.html#links
 
November 16, 2011
JESUIT SUPERIOR GENERAL REVIEW THE FR.LEONARD FEENEY CASE : THERE IS NO KNOWN CASE OF A PERSON SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE WHICH IS VISIBLE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/11/jesuit-superior-general-review.html

Invincible ignorance etc were never relevant or an issue with extra ecclesiam nulla salus: the Americanists made it one http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/03/invincible-ignorance-etc-were-never.html#links

LAY CATHOLICS CALL A PRESS CONFERENCE ADDRESSED TO THE DOMINICANS,FRANCISCANS,JESUITS, CARMELITES AND OTHER RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES
 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2
012/08/lay-catholics-call-press-conference.html#links

Cardinal Luis Ladaria S.J Secretary Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith does away with the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Limbo and Original Sin in the International Theological Commission position papers: CDF expects the Society of St.Pius X to accept all this http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/cardinal-luis-ladaria-sj-secretary.html#links

The Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith implies that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 corrected Fr.Leonard Feeney for doctrine and being in heresy.The text of the Letter does not state this. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/the-secretary-of-congregation-for.html#links
 
The issue is not whether the baptism of desire/invincible ignorance results in justification or salvation but is it visible or nothttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/04/the-issue-is-not-whether-baptism-of.html#links

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Michael King an American must claim he can see the dead on earth

Michael King,the President of the Fischer More College,USA along with other American faculty members and students  have to allege that they can physically see the dead now  saved in Heaven. Then they have to allege that these 'ghosts' are visible exceptions to all needing to enter the Church for salvation.
 
This irrational inference has also to be used in the interpretation of Vatican Council II ( Nostra Aetate 2 etc).
 
This is the requirement of the Vatican. The Vatican wants  the Fischer More College and the Franciscans of the Immaculate to affirm this irrationality. Then only will they be allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.
 
An American citizen will have freedom of worship and religion only if he affirms an irrationality which leads to a new doctrine and theology which is non traditional and a break with Catholic beliefs.American Catholics have to claim that they can see the dead.This is not Constitutional.It's is illegal to force someone to affirm a lie.There should be a freedom of worship without having to tell a falsehood in public.
 
Telling this lie is a NORM in the Catholic Church.Here are some examples from the website of the International Theological Commission, Vatican.

59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949) offers further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church, but it is necessary that one belong to it at least in desire and longing (voto et desiderio). It is not always necessary that this desire be explicit as it is with catechumens.
When one is invincibly ignorant, God also accepts an implicit desire, so called because it is contained in the good disposition of soul by which a person wants his or her will to be conformed to God’s will”.- The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without the being baptized', International Theological Commission,2007
Lionel:
What had the baptism of desire to do with the traditonal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus by Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston?
For the ITC it is an EXCEPTION to the dogma!
So there is no more exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church for the ITC.The baptism of desire is not an exception! This is a LIE.

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'10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological system or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus—is no longer defended by Catholic theologians after the clear statements of Pius XII and Vatican Council II on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16; GS 22)...'-International Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions
Lionel:
Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis, cardinals and archbishops have not objected to this passage from Christianity and the World Religions by the International Theological Commission 1997.
There is a factual mistake here.
'the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16...')
It is a possibility of salvation ,true, but it is not an exception to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. A possibility is not an exception.
If a possibility was an exception then we could physically see the deceased saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16). This passage above implies that we can see the deceased now saved in Heaven for them to be exceptions to the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, according to Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston. It is a fact that we cannot see the dead. So again we have the LIE.
Pope Benedict XVI and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, the present Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican approved this passage.
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67. Vatican Council II makes its own the expression extra ecclesiam nulla salus. But in using it the council explicitly directs itself to Catholics and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of the Church for salvation. The council holds that the affirmation is based on the necessity of faith and of baptism affirmed by Christ (LG 14). In this way the council aligned itself in continuity with the teaching of Pius XII, but emphasized more clearly the original parenthentical character of this expression.- Christianity and the World Religions 1997,International Theological Commission
'and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of the Church for salvation.'
Lionel:
Again it is being implied that possibilities of salvation known only to God are personally known to us in the present times.
Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation and we do not know any one how is going to be condemned or saved, who 'knew' about the Church or was in invincible ignorance.Possibilities are not known exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation. Every one needs to enter the Church for salvation in 2014 and not only those who know. Those who know or do not know will be decided by God. It is LIE to infer that we know who knows  and so this is relevant to the dogma.The inference is wron. The text does not state that these cases are explicit for us.

-Lionel Andrades


 

The Vatican wants the Fischer More College and the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept a false premise in the interpretation of the Boston Case

FFI and FMC  have to accept that the baptism of desire is an exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They have to assume that all salvation in Heaven(implicit desire,invincible ignorance, ray of the Truth etc)  is visible on earth and then extend this error to Vatican Council II.
 
When this irrational inference is used in the interpretation of magisterial documents, there is a break with  the 'old' ecclesiology and theology of salvation. The result is Cushingism.
The FFI  (Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate) and FMC (Fischer More College,USA)have to be Cushingites. They have to make the factual error of the Archbishop of Boston in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case.They have to affirm that we can see the dead on earth saved with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance, a ray of the Truth, seeds of the Word. They have to accept that these deceased-saved, visible on earth, are explicit exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus .They have to say that  Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston was wrong.
 
In the Boston Case the heretic was the person who denied the dogma defined by three Church Councils and who alleged that we can see the dead who are known exceptions to the dogmatic teaching.
 
It is with this heresy and irrationality that the FFI and FMC have to interpret Vatican Council II so that they can get permission to offer the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM). The TLM can only be offered by Catholic  religious communities who accept an irrational interpretation of the Boston Case.

 The FFI and FMC should simply tell the Vatican that they accept  Vatican  Council without the  inference. They should then make this known to all. Annouce it via the media. Affirm traditional ecclesiology and salvation theology and also Vatican Council II without the Cushing premise.Instead they should ask the Vatican Curia to affirm the Boston Case and Vatican Council II without the inference.
The FFI and FMC are being denied freedom of worship and religion because they have to proclaim a lie acceptable to the Vatican Curia.
Why do the founders of the FFI, Italian citizens have to claim that the dead are visible on earth? Why do the Americans at FMC have to support an irrationality in the interpretation of the Boston Case ? How can the baptism of desire be an exception to all needing to enter the Church for salvation in 2014 ? Testing our intelligence?!
-Lionel Andrades

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