Tuesday, May 20, 2014

Bishop Athanasius Schneider and priests who offer the Traditional Latin Mass in Engand : two questions

  1. Pontifical Institute of Liturgy, University of San Anselm , Rome Benedictine priest-professors, offer Holy Mass. According to their website .
    'The Institute was canonically established by the Apostolic See as a faculty of Sacred Liturgy of the Pontifical University of St.Anselm in order to promote liturgical science through research and teaching.' According to a brochure of the Institute ' it is empowered to grant, in the name of the Holy Father, the academic degrees of License and Doctorate in liturgy (Statutes 127). The programme of studies considers the Eucharistic(sic), the sacraments and sacramentals , the liturgy of the Hours and the Liturgical year under their theological, historical , spiritual and political aspects.'

    So they promote a theological understanding of the Holy Mass.

    I spoke to the Dean of Theology 1 and he answered the following TWO QUESTIONS:

    1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2014 ? YES or NO
    2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible for us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or Ad Gentes 7 which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation ? THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS OR YES THERE ARE KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS.

    How would Bishop Athanasius Schneider and the priests who offer the Traditional Latin Mass in England answer the two questions?
On May 24,2014 Bishop Schneider will be speaking at a conference in London.2 Another speaker is Professor Thomas Pink a  Lecturer at King's College, London, where the professors would not like to answer the two questions. 
The two questions are not being answered by Joseph Shaw the Chairman of the Latin Mass Society in England. He is a Tutor in Philosophy at St Benet's Hall, a Permanent Private Hall of Oxford University and a  member of the Philosophy Faculty.He teaches and lectures in the University. He also gives talks outside the University to a variety of groups on a variety of subjects.3
-Lionel Andrades
October 16, 2013




Dedicate Saturday to devotion to Our Lady!

   May 20, 2014 Posted by tantamergo     
I have been singularly impressed by the writing of Fr. Stefano Manelli, founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate.  God in His infinite wisdom has seen fit to test many great Saints.  Fr. Manelli and the order he
Happier times
Happier times
founded is certainly undergoing an absolutely brutal test of faith at present. I pray they may weather it in true virtue, and I pray the vicious repression of this holy order may cease immediately.  Given the obvious sanctity Fr. Manelli exudes in his writing, I pray this suffering may be the flames that temper this order, and its founder, for future glory.
Having said that, I have been given the gift of developing a great love for Our Blessed Mother.  But I have been deficient in expressing that love through consistent partaking of Saturday devotions.  We “tithe” every week of the year by our (minimal) participation in Sunday Mass, and keeping the Sabbath holy.  Our Blessed Mother is worthy of similar devotion, and while certainly not of Precept or absolutely necessary for salvation, there is enormous merit in taking part in Saturday devotions to Mary, as Fr. Manelli notes in his very helpful book Devotion to Our Lady:
One day a week dedicated to Our Lady meets a need to offer her something special and particular in the course of luciasvisionthe week.
The Church has always realized this need, and has satisfied it by giving Saturday a special place in the Liturgy, with the weekly offering of a Mass and Office in honor of the Blessed Virgin.
The experience of centuries has approved this holy custom, which the Christian people, in particular the Saints, have loved and cherished.  We may be sure that the practice of dedicating Saturdays to Mary finds clients of great holiness, including St. Catherine of Siena, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Alphonsus Liguori – to name a few.
The association of Saturday with Mary is found among the Saints, even in their loftiest mystical experiences.  Every Saturday – unlike other days – St. Gemma Galgani had an ecstasy that involved Our Lady.  This had becomeour-lady-of-fatima-4 so customary with her that sometimes it was only when she had an apparition of Our Lady that she realized it was Saturday!
After the example of the Saints, we, too, should endeavor to be particularly fond of Saturday as “Mary’s Day” – as St. Catherine of Siena called it.  Let us hallow it with specific prayers, especially the Rosary (if possible all 15 mysteries). Let us not fail to make some personal sacrifice (for example, abstaining from fruit, or from meat, or from smoking).  Let us add other acts of veneration for Mary, according to our preference; for example, letting Saturday be the day that we finish an important project, or make a decision, or celebrate a particular event. St. Louis Grignon, as a boy, went to Holy Communion every Saturday in a church dedicated to Our Lady, our of devotion to her. We may be sure that Our Lady is the better pleased and bestows special favors during this day consecrated to her.
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While I am certain most readers are already aware, I would also be remiss if I did not include the promises Our Lady made for those who maintain a Saturday devotion to her for 5 consecutive First Saturdays:
 “See, my daughter, my Heart encircled by thorns with which ungrateful men pierce it at every moment by their blasphemies and ingratitude. Do you, at least, strive to console me. Tell them that I promise to assist at the hour of death with the graces necessary for salvation all those who, in order to make reparation to me, on the First Saturday of five successive months, go to confession, receive Holy Communion, say five decades of the Rosary, and keep me company for a quarter of an hour, meditating on the fifteen mysteries of the Rosary.”

Fr.Leonard Feeney and the Franciscans of the Immaculate

Fr.Leonard Feeney was innocent. The baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It has nothing to do with the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Yet the Holy Office 1949, Cardinal Richard Cushing, the Archbishop of  Boston, the Jesuits and the Jewish Left  made it seem that the baptism of desire and being  saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the priests' traditional interpretation of the dogma on salvation.
They expelled the Catholic professors at Boston College who were traditionalists on this issue. Fr. Leonard Feeney was removed from the Jesuit community in Boston. Catholics were told not to visit the St.Benedict Center. The Jewish Left political power wanted the Church to now teach that there are known exceptions to the traditional interpretation. They refused to lift the excommunication for years.
All this was happening as Israel was the new political power on the world map.
Today we see once again due to pressure from the political Left, the Franciscans of the Immaculate are not allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass nor are they allowed to affirm the Traditional ecclesiology which includes extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They have to endorse a politically interpreted Vatican  Council II which uses an irrational inference.
They are being forced to accept this irrationality and to interpret all magisterial texts with this irrationality. It is only then that there situation could  be normalized.
Ecclesial power is being supported by political power against a community which has done no moral wrong nor violated any Church teaching -just like Fr.Leonard  Feeney.
Fr.Leonard Feeney had to wait for some 19 years before the injustice was lifted. The Franciscans of the Immaculate have had to bear this hardship for about a year. There is no change expected since the decision was political.
-Lionel Andrades

Israeli parliament lauds John XXIII's Vatican Council II with 'the inference'

Israeli parliament lauds John XXIII as example of unity
Bl. Pope John XXIII's tomb under the altar of St. Jerome Credit: John Mosbaugh
The Israeli parliament like the rest of the Jewish Left has ignored Pope John XXIII's Vatican Council II which is interpreted without the irrational premise. Instead they are praising Vatican Council II which they interpret with the premise of being able to see the dead i.e all salvation referred to in Vatican Council II is considered to be visible for us instead of invisible for us and visible only to God.
Like the ADL and other enemies of the Catholic Church they interpret LG 16, NA 2, UR 3, AG11 etc as referring to cases of people saved -but who are also visible on earth and so are exceptions to the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation. Without this irrationality Pope John Paul XXIII's Vatican Council II is missionary since it is in agreement with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There are no exceptions to the dogma on salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II.
Instead Vatican Council II states, and this is not reported by the Jewish Left media, that all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation. This would also include our 'elders brothers'.
-Lionel Andrades


The Society of St.Pius X ( Districts USA/Canada, Italy,India etc) are aware that Bishop Bernard Fellay has made a fundamental error in his last Letter to Friends and Benefactors and that this is also an irrationality which was overlooked by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. They are also aware that in most of their publications they have overlooked this factual error.
No one from Econe, the SSPX Headquarters, is admitting in public that Nostra Aetate 2 does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It would only contradict the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church if the SSPX infers that those saved with 'a ray of the Truth' (NA 2) are physically visible on earth.It is with this irrationality of being able to see the deceased-saved that NA 2 becomes  an exception to the traditional teaching on salvation and other religions i.e all need to convert into the Church in 2014 to be saved from Hell.(John 3:5,Mark 16:16).
The SSPX is  aware that this is a factual error and not theology.They  do not want to issue a correction. They choose to continue to use the irrational inference to create a new doctrine (1) only those who know about the Church need to convert as compared to those who are in invincible ignorance and can be saved allegedly without the baptism of water (2) every one in 2014 does not need to convert into the Catholic  Church for salvation, since those saved with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance or ' a ray of the Truth' are visible exceptions in 2014.
Those who 'know' (LG 14) and yet do not enter and are damned to Hell and those who do not know (invincible ignorance-LG 16) are not known to us on earth. So they are irrelevant to the dogma on exclusive salvation. Vatican Council II refers to them as possibilities and not exceptions. No Church-text states that these cases are explicit for us.It is Bishop Bernard Fellay who infers that these cases are explicit for us and so contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus .
So he rejects Vatican Council II for the wrong reason.
Vatican Council II without the irrational inference is traditional and in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Vatican Council II which he criticizes is the one with the inference.
The SSPX can resolve this problem by affirming all the documents of Vatican Council II , without the use of the inference. They can continue to reject Vatican Council II in which the inference is being used.
Cardinal Muller, Archbishop Augustine Di Noia, Cardinal Kurt Koch and the Vatican Curia  interpret Vatican  Council II with the false premise, the irrational inference.So there is no hermeneutic of continuity, instead there is the ambiguity of Cardinal Walter Kaspar.
-Lionel Andrades 
Bishop Bernard Fellay contradicted by Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson, John Martigioni : Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salushttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/05/bishop-bernard-fellay-contradicted-by.html#links

The Holy Spirit can not teach the Church to interpret Vatican Council II using an irrational premisehttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/05/the-holy-spirit-can-not-teach-church-to.html#links

Bishop Bernard Fellay made a factual mistake in Letter to Friends and Benefactors no. 82 : we cannot see the deadhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/05/bishop-bernard-fellay-has-made-factual.html#links

If someone is saved with ' a ray of the Truth' (Nostra Aetate 2) it is not known in 2014, so NA 2 does not contradict AG 7 or extra ecclesiam nulla salus

I've had a look at Gavin D'Costa (www.bristol.ac.uk/religion/about/). He does not refer to the salvation of the non-baptised as being an 'exception' to the above maxim.
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Lionel:Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino (1441): "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."-, Wikipedia, extra ecclesiam nulla salus
In Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) and in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus the Catholic Church is saying all need to enter the Church for salvation.
It means de facto, in reality, in 2014 all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.
If someone is saved with ' a ray of the Truth' (Nostra Aetate 2) this case would not be known to us in 2014. It would be known only to God. So NA 2 does not contradict AG 7 or extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So how can Gavin D'Costa infer that this is an exception and so all do not need to enter the Church for salvation?
NA 2 would refer to a possibility, a probability but not to a known reality in the present times.
Gavin D'Costa infers that NA 2 is not just a hypothetical case mentioned in Vatican Council II but it is a known reality. As if he personally knew an exception in England.
All salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II is implicit and invisible for us. So it cannot be an exception to the two examples above.
Similarly those saved with the 'seeds of the Word'(AG 11) are possibilities but they are not relevant to the traditional teaching on all needing to convert into the Church for salvation( to avoid Hell).

Chrysologos said...
He refers to one who "can be saved who is not a member of the Catholic Church".
Yes as a possibility.No as a known reality in 2014.
However, if we take 'ecclesia', as in 'extra ecclesiam...', to refer to the Church as a whole (Church Militant, Church Suffering and Church Triumphant) then the non-baptised are indeed 'on the way of salvation' (Catechism of St Pope Pius X, Q29) 'in a way known to God' (CCC 1260), being brought into, eventually, the Church Triumphant.
According to Vatican Council II (AG 7) Catholic Faith and the baptism of water are the ordinary means of salvation.
This is the same message in the Catechism of Pope Pius X.The non baptised are on the way to Hell.
There are only Catholics in Heaven, those saved with faith and baptism and who have died without mortal sin on their soul.
The majority of people who die are on the way to Hell since they do not have 'faith and baptism' at the time of death. This is the orthodox teaching for centuries and it is not contradicted by Vatican Council II. It is supported by AG 7 and NA 2 is not an exception as Gavin implies.