Thursday, May 15, 2014

Explicit Baptism of desire is to be rejected. Implicit BOD known only to God has been mentioned by the saints

From the Most Holy Family Monastery (MHFM), sedevacantist website (with comments)

Also, with regard to ‘BOD’
MHFM: There’s another point to keep in mind if you happen to be arguing with supporters of the false doctrine of ‘baptism of desire.’ It was one of the points covered in this video:
It’s that in addition to the dogmatic arguments (and the key question) which destroy ‘baptism of desire’, it’s important not to forget about the teaching of papal encyclicals to the entire Church in the modern period. They are thoroughly and completely on our side.( They do not claim that the baptism of desire is visible to us and so is relevant or an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus)  They teach the very same truth that the councils infallibly taught: that no one can be inside the Catholic Church (outside of which there is no salvation) without the Sacrament of Baptism (Yes the baptism of water is needed for all for salvation. All in 2014 need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to avoid Hell) ; that no one can be a Christian without the Sacrament of Baptism (and only Christians are saved); (All need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation in 2014 and there are no exceptions. A non Catholic being saved with the baptism of desire followed by the baptism of water  is a possibility. It is not an exception to the dogmatic teaching.Possibilities are not known realities to be exceptions) and that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without faith and the rite (Sacrament) of Baptism. That’s the teaching of the Catholic Church. In all of history the Catholic Church never taught anything else in any document on faith or morals applying to the universal Church. Thus, those who support ‘BOD’( explicit BOD is to be rejected. Implicit BOD known only to God has been mentioned by the saints) in the face of the facts not only reject the dogmatic arguments and the teaching of the Church expressed in councils, etc.,(One can affirm the dogmatic teaching along with implicit BOD. It does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction.For the MHFM it would be a contradiction since they assume that BOD is explicit for us ) but they reject the reiteration of that dogma in papal encyclicals which taught faith and morals to the entire Church. In fact, many of those heretics even condemn the teaching of the Catholic Church expressed below as evil, mortally sinful and heretical. They have tremendous bad will and they are very deceived.

Pope Pius XI, Quas Primas (#15), Dec. 11, 1925, addressed to the universal Church, concerning entrance into the Kingdom of God: “Which Kingdom indeed is set forth in the Gospels as one into which men prepare to enter by doing penance but are unable to enter except through faith and baptism, which, although it is an external rite, nevertheless signifies and effects an interior regeneration.”

Pope Pius XII Mediator Dei (#47), Nov. 20, 1947, addressed to the universal Church, referring to the Sacrament of Baptism: “… the washing of baptism distinguishes and separates all Christians [christianos omnes] from the rest whom this stream of atonement has not washed and who are not members of Christ…”

Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (# 22), June 29, 1943, addressed to the universal Church: “Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have received the laver of regeneration and profess the true faith…”
-Lionel Andrades

Cardinals and bishops in Rome have a problem with 'two questions'

Dialogue with the MHFM

Please remove us from your list. We are not interested in your heretical material.
Lionel: It was sent to inform you about a factual and objective mistake you continue to make. You infer that we humans can see the dead-saved. So the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance is not an exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 inferred that implicit desire was relevant to extra ecclesiam nulla salus then is was a factual mistake. This is the same factual mistake made in your book on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
We wish for your conversion, but you are not a Catholic. You are of bad will. You accept the heresies of Vatican II and you defend the Vatican II sect.
Vatican Council II without the premise of being able to see the dead-saved is traditional. With the premise of being able to see the dead, Vatican Council II becomes heretical and a break with Tradition. Your writings show that you are using the false premise of being able to see the dead saved with 'a ray of the Truth'(Nostra Aetate 2), being saved in invincible ignorance (Lumen Gentium 16 ) etc.Get rid of the false inference and Vatican Council II is in perfect agreement with youre interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and that of the Church Councils, the popes and the saints.
You consider false ecumenism to be the true faith.
Lionel: I reject the false ecumenism which ignores Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which states all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation. Ad Gentes 7 is placed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church No Salvation. It states all need to enter the Church as through a door.(CCC 846,AG 7). Ecumenism with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Ad Gentes 7 and CCC 846 is welcome. It would also be missionary.
Protestants, Orthodox Christians etc do not have Catholic Faith (AG 7) which include the Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church.They need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation according to Vatican Council II etc.
You hold that "non-Christians are justified" (Francis, Evangelii Gaudium), which is a denial of defined Catholic dogma.
Lionel: I believe Christians need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation according to Vatican Council II (AG 7). Also I beleive that Christians do not have 'ecclesial faith' as Pope Francis has indicated. Also the kerygma which he mentioned must include entry into the Church. There cannot be a proclamation of Jesus without the necessity of entering the Catholic Church.
If you have a personal e-mail to send that is specifically addressed to us, you could send it.
Thank you. I will do so.
But we don't need your mass mailings spreading your false position.
My position is traditional and in accord with Vatican Council II ( without the inference of being able to see the dead on earth who are alleged exceptions to exclusive salvation).
You on the contrary are traditional but you reject a Vatican Council II ( with a false inference) and do not seem to be aware of there being an alternative choice.
You are sadly on the road to damnation. You should see the material on our website about the one true faith necesssary for salvation.
I agree with your traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus as I do with that of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,USA the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney. However for me, being saved with the baptism of desire etc are not visible in the flesh cases so they are not exceptions to the dogma on salvation. Since these cases are not visible to us ,the baptism of desire can be accepted as a possibility , but not as an exception to the dogma on salvation. Every one in 2014 needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation with 'faith and baptism' (AG 7) and NA 2, UR 3, AG 11, LG 16 etc are not exceptions to AG 7.
Damnation? I affirm the thrice defined dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
I affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
I accept the popes.
I am not a sedevacantist.
Neither am I a traditionalist who rejects Vatican Council II.
In fact, by presenting yourself as a teacher of the faith, you incur even more responsibility. Thus, your damnation will even be greater should you remain on your current path.
I am affirming Tradition. The teachings of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II are the same for me. There is no contradiction since I am not using the false inference in the interpretation of Magisterial documents. I do not build fantasy theology with a false inference.
In Christ
Lionel Andrades

Wonderful Video: Pope’s Security Team Lifts Elderly Woman in Wheelchair to Greet Pope

by Matthew Archbold | The Vatican | | 5/14/14 2:51 PM

I love stuff like this. This is the Catholic blog version of a cute kitten video. Not that Catholic blogs shouldn’t put up cat videos because cats are evil or something. Just sayin’.
popefrancis30But this is the kind of video that makes me feel like there’s something right with the world and the Church. And when you pretty much read bad news 24/7, something like this is kinda’ nice.

LifeNews Note: Matt Archbold graduated from Saint Joseph’s University in 1995. He is a former journalist who left the newspaper business to raise his five children. He writes for the Creative Minority Report.

Quarant’anni di odio contro la Vita e la Verità


divorzio(di Danilo Quinto) Non è un caso che oggi sia proprio il tema della Comunione ai divorziati risposati a costituire la “chiave di volta” dello scardinamento dei principi dell’ordine naturale e dell’insegnamento che per secoli la Chiesa ha svolto nei confronti delle persone affidate alla sua custodia. Si continua da dove si è iniziato.
Marco Pannella, intervistato da “Vatican Insider”, ricorda così quel 13 maggio di quarant’anni fa: «Sembra ieri: eravamo quattro gatti, ci venne dietro il Paese. Eppure avevamo nemici insospettabili, come oggi (…) Abbiamo avuto in Roncalli un interlocutore attento, come poi, fuori da ogni protocollo, in Wojtyla e oggi in Francesco. Due settimane fa la sua telefonata mi ha riacceso la speranza di non essere solo a combattere contro la disumana condizione nelle carceri. Ora parliamo attraverso la sua voce (…) Come allora la religiosità vera non ha niente a che vedere con i confessionalismi. La campagna antidivorzista fu politica, non religiosa. Si opponevano a noi gli eredi di coloro che fecero coincidere la missione della Chiesa con la difesa del potere temporale dello Stato pontificio e che scomunicarono il Risorgimento, condotto in gran parte da cattolici. Insomma avevamo contro i seguaci del “Sillabo” sconfitti dal Vaticano II. (…) Dopo essere stati messi fuori gioco dalla primavera conciliare di Giovanni XXIII, le frange più clericali cercarono nella difesa del loro potere sullo Stato l’ultima trincea contro l’evoluzione della Chiesa secondo la coscienza dell’immensa maggioranza dei fedeli. Volevano far coincidere la sacralità di un sacramento, che deve vincolare la coscienza dei credenti, con l’uso dei carabinieri per imporre fedeltà confessionali. Come se fossimo regolati dal diritto canonico e non da un diritto laico e statuale».
Sembra di rileggere la “coscienza” di Eugenio Scalfari, quando registra su “Repubblica” le parole dell’attuale Pontefice, che gli dice: «Ciascuno ha una sua idea del Bene e del Male e deve scegliere di seguire il Bene e combattere il Male come lui li concepisce. Basterebbe questo per migliorare il mondo».
Com’è migliorata l’Italia da quel 13 maggio? Ogni due matrimoni che si celebrano, uno viene meno. Aumentano i bambini che nascono fuori del matrimonio e si vogliono ridurre i tempi dell’attesa per il divorzio. Per l’aborto, siamo nella media europea: uno ogni 25 secondi. L’età media della maternità è ritardata quasi fino ai 30 anni e la pillola ru486 sta divenendo il più formidabile sistema di controllo delle nascite. Diminuisce la natalità, consolidando la prospettiva che più volte si è determinata nella storia: la morte delle società che non fanno figli. Si fa nascere la vita nei laboratori. Si maltratta l’istituto della famiglia, equiparata a una qualunque delle scelte delle relazioni intersociali, che sono considerate in riferimento ai gusti, alle opzioni e ai liberi arrangiamenti privati. Cresce il desiderio di tutelare improbabili unioni tra persone dello stesso sesso, alle quali si vorrebbero affidare i bambini. Si sdogana l’omosessualità come propensione “naturale” dell’essere umano e, di pari passo, ci si appresta ad aprire un grande dibattito sull’eutanasia e sulla pedofilia.
C’è chi ha compreso quello che sta avvenendo. È ancora una volta Marco Pannella. «Oggi» – ha detto il leader radicale lo scorso 4 maggio a “Radio Radicale” – «hanno fatto la Marcia per la Vita. I quarantamila, ecc… Questa a me pare la reazione assolutamente inevitabile delle basi vaticane e clericali di questi ultimi cinquant’anni, che con questo Papa sentono che devono fare i conti con quanto ha esclamato due mesi fa: “Basta con le ossessioni su aborto, divorzio e non so cos’altro”». Così come il demonio non si stanca, anche l’affermazione della Verità ha bisogno di persone che non si stanchino. Nonostante tutto. (Danilo Quinto)