Monday, March 10, 2014

Students at Fischer More College attend Holy Mass offered by priests in public heresy?

Feast of the Assumption_05The students at Fischer More College attend  Holy Mass at the churches in the Catholic diocese of Fort Worth.They must inquire if the religious communities there affirm implicit for us baptism of desire  along with the literal and traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Do they affirm the dogma as it was known to St.Robert Bellarmine, St.Francis Xavier and St.Francis of Assisi ? Traditonally there was only implicit for us baptism of desire .It was never considered explicit and objective. 

The priests who have offered a public Mass in the Extraordinary Form and heard Confessions at the College chapel since August 2010, according the Fischer More College website,  are the following:
1. Fr. Simon Zayas, TOR
2. Fr. Juan Diego, CFR
3. Fr. Samuel Weber, OSB
4. Fr. Thomas Longua, FSSP
5. Fr. Philip Wolfe, FSSP
6. Fr. Joseph Orlowski, FSSP
7. Fr. Christopher Henderson, CFM

 If the religious communities TOR,CFR,OSB,FSSP,CFM,F.I etc assume the baptism of desire is explciit for us and is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus they are denying an ex cathedra dogma. Also this is fantasy. Since we cannot see any exceptions to the dogma on earth.There are no physically visible exceptions.

 The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 supported Fr.Leonard Feeney. He was excommunicated for disobedience. The excommunication was lifted without him having to recant. He was granted a Catholic funeral.

 Students could ask the priests and their religious communities in Forth Worth if they believe Fr.Leonard Feeney  was excommunicated for heresy. If TOR,CFR,OSB,FSSP,CFM,F.I assume he was excommunicated for heresy,  they would be saying that Pope Pius XII made a mistake . He made an objective, factual mistake. It is a fact of life that we cannot see the dead. The pope assumed we could see the dead- saved with the baptism of desire , who are visible in the flesh exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church ?.This is not true. The result of this irrationality is fantasy theology promoted by the secular media. It is also heresy and the students should not be expected to attend Holy Mass being offered by a priest in public heresy.
-Lionel Andrades

The Way is Open for Fr.Gruner

Feast of the Assumption_05The doctrinal scenario has changed.
Fr.Nicholas Gruner already affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So he can accept Vatican Council II (AG 7) which supports extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 He can continue to accept a Vatican Council II II  in which LG 16,LG 8,UR 3 etc are invisible and implicit for us ,only. So there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II  to Fr.Gruner's traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 He can continue to reject Vatican Council II in which LG 16,LG 8,UR 3 etc are assumed to be invisible and explicit  to his interpretation of the dogma on salvation.
Fr.Gruner can continue to reject Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc are considered to be visible and explicit for us in 2014. This is irrational. 
 So he is affirming Tradition along with Vatican Council II (without the irrationality).
 He can continue his Fatima apostolate like any other Catholic priest , while supporting Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise.
Similarly SSPX priests  can accept the Council without the false premise of being able to see the dead-saved who are known exceptions to Tradition.
Since the Council, without the false premise does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus,Vatican Council II is traditional on the issue of other religions and Christian communities.
Non Catholics need to convert into the Church according to the dogma on exclusive salvation, Vatican Council II (AG 7), the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55 etc.
Vatican Council II (AG 7) indicates most people on earth are oriented to Hell, unless they convert into the Catholic Church, since they die without 'faith and baptism'. All who are in Heaven are there without mortal sin and with 'faith and baptism'.There are only Catholics in Heaven.
The ordinary means of salvation in the Catholic Church is 'faith and baptism' and not invincible ignorance(LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3), seeds of the Word (AG 11) etc.
 All priests of the SSPX  can affirm implicit and invisible for us baptism of desire along with the traditional and literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 supported Fr.Leonard Feeney on doctrine.It referred to 'the dogma', the 'infallible teaching'. The text of the dogma does not mention any known exceptions.
When we pray 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin' (Nicene Creed) we are always referring to the baptism of water. We cannot administer the baptism of desire nor are there any known cases. 

The way is open for Fr.Gruner and the SSPX priests  to accept Vatican Council II (without the false premise) in accord with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. 

There was an irrationality being used on which was based a new theology. I am only removing the irrationality. Theology returns to 'normal'. I am not presenting a new theology.
-Lionel Andrades