Tuesday, March 4, 2014

Guest speakers at the Fischer- More College (FMC) indicate the bishop faulted them for the 'ideology' of extra ecclesiam nulla salus

The list of guest speakers at the Fischer- More College (FMC) indicate that the bishop faulted them for the 'ideology' of extra ecclesiam nulla salus which the bishop assumes is contradicted by Vatican Council II interpreted with the common false premise.

Since the bishop possibly uses the false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II FMC must be coming across to him as sedevacantists or traditionalists who reject Vatican Council II.
FMC Chapel
The President of FMC, Mr.Michael King and the faculty must show  the Bishop of Fort Worth, the Most Rev. Michael Olson, that we can interpret Vatican Council II without the common error. Then FMC would be able to affirm the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church in perfect agreement with the Council. They could be the first purely traditionalist college in agreement with Vatican Council II .

The bishop would not be able to accuse or suspect any one at FMC of denying Vatican Council II. They would be affirming all salvation mentioned or alluded to in Vatican Council II as being implicit for us, invisible for us. They would reject all salvation mentioned in the Council as being visible for us and so an exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

So they would be accepting LG 16 (invincible ignorance), elements of sanctification and truth (LG 8), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) as possibilities. In faith they are accepted as possibilities. Since they are known only to God, they are not exceptions. They are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition in general.

So FMC could affirm implicit for us  baptism of desire along with the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which does not mention any exceptions. De facto all need to enter the Church for salvation. Dejure (in principle) there could be people saved with the baptism of desire etc. This  does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction.

Then unless the bishop wants to appear irrational or heretical he would have to agree that Vatican Council II can be interpreted in a rational way and it is traditional on the subject of other religions and ecumenism. Non Catholics need to convert for salvation (AG 7,CCC 846 etc)

Presently the FMC, the new bishop and the curia of the diocese are not using a rational, traditional interpretation but are suggesting that we can see the dead now saved in Heaven.
-Lionel Andrades

The College has hosted many lectures in the past two years, some by our own faculty and some by invited guests. All of the lectures have been professional and scholarly, and many of the speakers took extra care to elaborate on statements that might be misconstrued. All speakers were available to our students and the public afterward for questions and discussion.
Several of the lectures have examined topics which can spark disagreement and debate, even among faithful Catholics (e.g., creation vs. evolution, geocentrism vs. heliocentrism, the Universal Reign of Christ the King, certain teachings of modern theologians, the message of Fatima, etc.).  The lecture that seems to have generated the most commentary in its aftermath was “The Faith in Europe” by Dr. John Dudley, a member of our faculty and professor of philosophy. In his lecture, Dr. Dudley chronicled the shocking collapse of Catholicism and Christendom in Europe and argued a cause-effect relationship between this state of affairs and changes in the Church that came in the wake of the Second Vatican Council. The text of Dr. Dudley’s speech is available here.
Below is a complete list of speakers at our College since the beginning of the 2012-13 school year:


October 2012 – Mr. Christopher Check spoke on the Battle of Lepanto.
November 2012 - Mr. Chuck Chalberg (impressionist) delivered A Night with G.K. Chesterton and imitated Chesterton defending the Faith against “isms” of the day.
December 2012 – Mr. Karl Strauch (professor of Theology at Fisher More College) lectured on The Future Universal Reign of Christ the King.


February 2013 – Dr. Taylor Marshall (at the time professor of Philosophy at Fisher More College) gave his conversion story.
March 2013 – As part of a conference on Thomism and Tradition, the College welcomed three guest speaker who were joined by Dr. Taylor Marshall (at the time professor of Philosophy at Fisher More College).  The speaker line-up at the conference was:
1. Dr. Jared Staudt of the Augustine Institute in Denver, Colorado, who delivered a paper criticizing certain points in the theological writings of Fr. Hans Urs von Balthasar, S.J.
2. Dr. Christopher Malloy of the University of Dallas, who delivered a paper criticizing certain points in the theological writings of Fr. Karl Rahner, S.J.
3. Dr. Taylor Marshall of Fisher More College, who delivered a paper criticizing certain points in the theological writings of Fr. Henri de Lubac, S.J.
 4. Father Thomas Joseph White, O.P., of the Pontifical Faculty of the Immaculate Conception at the Dominican House of Studies, who delivered a paper and the keynote address on the Virgin Mary and the Church: The Marian Model of Ecclesial Faith.
April 2013 – Dr. John Dudley (professor of Philosophy at Fisher More College) lectured on The Faith in Europe. See text here.
May 2013 - Mr. Joseph Reidy (at the time professor of History at Fisher More College) lectured on the Council of Nicaea entitled “Nothing But Confusion and Fighting: The Council of Nicaea & the Origins of the Creed”
May 2013 – Dr. Robert Moynihan, founder and editor-in-chief of Inside the Vatican magazine, gave a fascinating talk on what to expect from the Pope Francis papacy.
September 2013 – Mr. Hugh Owen, founder and director of the Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation, lectured on creation and used Sacred Scripture and traditional Church teaching to argue that the theory of evolution is a fallacy and a threat to one’s Faith.  Mr. Owen, a true gentleman and man of the Church, disclosed that we were the first college (Catholic or otherwise) to ever invite him to speak on campus.
October 2013 - Dr. Robert Sungenis lectured on geocentrism, using arguments based on Sacred Scripture, traditional Church teaching, and science that the earth is fixed at the center of the universe. Dr. Sungenis showed lengthy clips of his soon-to-be released movie entitled “The Principle” as part of his presentation.
November 2013 – Mr. John Vennari delivered a symposium for faculty on the Six Components of Liberalism based on a thesis written by Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton in 1958. Mr. Vennari gave a public speech on his life as a traditional Catholic, and spoke to our student body on the dangers of modern music and popular culture.
December 2013 – Fr. Nicholas Gruner, founder and director of the International Fatima Rosary Crusade, lectured on the Message of Fatima and its relevance today.
Note: In the days prior to the arrival of Fr. Gruner for his lecture, the College was made aware of allegations that Fr. Gruner had been suspended a divinis. After investigating the public record of this matter and obtaining an explanation directly from Fr. Gruner himself, the College learned that no Bishop has ever issued a sentence suspending Father a divinis, and that Father has two separate letters from the Archbishop of Hyderabad confirming (1995) and reaffirming (1999) his incardination in that diocese. In any event, Father was coming to our campus to speak on the message of Fatima, and not to exercise any priestly ministries. Thus, the College proceeded with the event.


December 2013 – Mr. John Vennari returned to the College to speak on the life of St. John Fisher with special recognition of the heroic, saintly life of Queen Catherine of Aragon.

Traditonal Latin Mass being targeted : Catholic blogs and websites are not discussing the real reason

Feast of the Assumption_07The Traditonal Latin Mass is being targeted all over the world when Catholics associated with this Mass reject Vatican Council II ( with the dead man walking premise) and do not know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted traditionally without this strange pemise. Catholic institutions associated with this Mass are also being threathened or criticized by the leftist lobbies.
The Fischer-More College is not allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass. No reason is given.
The National Catholic Register removed a post encouraging the Holy Father to seek a reconciliation with the SSPX. No explanation was given.
Fr.John Zuhlsdorf recently wrote a positive piece on the SSPX and said that their Mass was valid. The next day he completely changed the report. No reason was given.
Rorate Caeili posted reports on objective errors of the International Theological Commission. A rabbi who teaches Ecumenism at the University of St.Thomas Aquinas (Angelicum),Rome  phoned 'New Catholic,' the Editor of Rorate Caeili ( who still does not use his real name as a Catholic). The reports were pulled down. No explanation was given.
The apologist Dave Armstrong refuses to comment if Vatican Council II can be accepted without  the false premise.He would never affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Mons. Ignacio Barreiro who offers the TLM in Rome once told me frankly that there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in the present times but he would not affirm the traditional position of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
The Rector of the Santissma Trinta dei Pellegrini,  the FSSP church in Rome, Fr. Joseph Kramer offers the TLM without the extra ecclesiam nulla salus 'ideology'.  There are persons opposing  the TLM in Rome.
There are threats to Catholics who offer the Traditional Latin Mass with the ideology of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Then they are forced to accept Vatican Council II with an irrational premise, which makes the Council non traditional, liberal and non Catholic.
Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I who has opposed his Superiors in his community the Franciscans of the Immaculate and made the  TLM  an issue, is now silent when I ask him if Vatican Council II can be accepted without the visible- dead theory.
Can one offer or attend the TLM while interpreting Vatican Council II without the visible- dead being exceptions to the dogma on salvation ? Neither will he or the apologist Dave Armstrong answer. They will not say that they do not know the answer. Neither will they  say that they do not want to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They will not say that I am correct. They just do not want to have any thing to do with this subject.
Yet there is so much written on the blog of Dave Armstrong and Fr. Angelo Geiger (Mary Victrix) on the Novus Ordo and Traditional Latin Mass, the SSPX etc. The apologist Armstrong has probably  written books on this subject in which he has used the irrational premise.
Similarly there has been so much written by Roberto dei Mattei on Vatican Council II which is rational and he has reasoned well. He is correct that confusion has come into the Catholic Church after Vatican Council II. But he does not realize that all that good reasoning of his was based on a false premise. If he avoided that premise he could still reason well and his conclusion would be different. He would reason out how Vatican Council II is in agreement with Tradition; with the dogma on exclusive salvation , the Syllabus of Errors etc.
So the TLM continues to be targeted for the wrong reasons. It is assumed that it is a rejection of the new ecclesiology, in which Jews  and other non Catholics do not have to convert. There is this misunderstanding of the TLM since it is assumed that Vatican Concil II (with the false premise) has discarded the old ecclesiology with extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
No apologist is defending the TLM and Vatican Council II without the use of the false premise, the dead man walking theory.
We have many Catholics who do not want to speak the truth on this subject since they do not want to lose their reputation, their blogs or websites, or have to be penalized in some way.
So Fr.Angelo Geiger and Dave Armstrong will continue to write the same nonsense about Vatican Council II and the TLM. Patrick Archbald and Michael Voris will not affirm a Vatican Council II without the false premise. The National Catholic Register and Rorate Caeili will not discuss this subject since it is 'sensitive'. So they will continue to post reports on Vatican Council II accepted with the irrational interpretation. The Catholic Herald, U.K does not want to be sued under anti-Semitism laws. So they criticize the SSPX and do not affirm the dogma on salvation.Fr.John Zuhlsdorf will not discuss this subject.

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Dave Armstrong pulls down all comments and does not answer questions

Dave Armstrong as expected refuses to answer the two questions I asked Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I, whom he praises on his blog.
<em>100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura</em> (Catholic Answers, 5-10-12)
The two questions were :
1.So what about the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) ? Would it be sufficient for you if they affirm Vatican Council II just like me?

2. And what about Fr.Stefano Mannelli F.I and other members of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, could they also accept Vatican Council II just like me?
Instead he has removed all my comments which he  posted for a few days. No discussion!
I could see that there was no answer coming.Before they were removed, I copied all the comments and posted them on my blog. Yesterday I e-mailed him a copy of the blog post (1).
He  wrote a book defending Pope Pius XII, it is mentioned on his blog. I asked him if Pope Pius XII made a mistake in assuming that the baptism of desire etc was a known exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nullas salus ? No answer !
<em>Theology of God: Biblical, Chalcedonian Trinitarianism and Christology</em>
Dave assumes that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma. So Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy and not disobedience.
There is Biblicial Evidence for Catholicism. True, but with or without the traditional interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation ?
 I wrote that Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma on exclusive salvation and gave my reasons. There is no criticism or comment from him.
-Lionel Andrades

Dave Armstrong let me ask you what I have asked Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I


No response from Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I : SSPX and F.I must continue to reject Vatican Council II with the dead man walking premise

The Council must be accepted without the irrational premise.
FMC Chapel

There has been no criticism from Father Angelo Geiger F.I. None was expected.Since I am not presenting a new theology.I am only asking him to make a philosophical observation based on common reason.
It's a fact of life that we cannot see the dead. One does not have to be a theologian or educated to know this.
It is a fact that all salvation in Heaven is visible only to God. So it is ridiculous to imply that those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) , seeds of the Word (AG 11) etc are known, visible to us, explicit exceptions to the traditional  interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Hypothetical cases cannot be exceptions.
So without assuming that we can see the dead ; without the dead man walking  and visible theory Vatican Council II is a traditionalist's dream! The Council Fathers did a good job!
Vatican Council II has the 'ideology' of the Traditional Latin Mass(TLM).
The faculty at the Fischer-More College,USA can affirm the Council 'according to tradiitional Catholic spirituality and doctrine'.
The Franciscans of the Immaculate (F.I) can accept Vatican Council II only without the dead man walking theory.
The SSPX must know that there are no  known exceptions in Vatican Council II (without the false premise interpertation)  to their traditional teachings on other religions and Christans communities.There are no contradictions to Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.Ad Gentes 7 is included in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church No Salvation.
Things couldn't be so good! After some 70 -plus years  we realize that the problem exists in one simple statement.Something that was implied and overlooked.
Traditionalists could ask EWTN and Catholic Culture (Jeff Mirus, Trinity Communications) to explain how the baptism of desire can be an exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as interpreted by Fr.Leonard Feeney. That the baptism of desire is an exception, it is implied in the online report Tragic Errors of Fr.Leonard Feeney (EWTN/ Trinity Communications) (1).
The International Theological Commission(ITC) must be asked how can there be a 'theology of religions' based on known salvation outside the visible limits of the Catholic Church.This is the factual error in two of their theological papers, 'Christianity and the World Religions' and 'The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without baptism'.
The Dominican bishop at Lausanne, Switzerland, and former Secretary of the ITC, must be asked why cannot the SSPX  use the churches in his diocese for 'doctrinal reasons', as he says, when Vatican Council II without  the dead-saved and visible premise, does not contradict  the SSPX traditional position on other religions etc.The Council agrees with traditional doctrine.
Also Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I, and the Apostolic Commissioner of the Franciscans of the Immaculate must be asked to clarify if they accept Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, with or without the false premise.
-Lionel Andrades