Sunday, February 16, 2014

MICHAEL DAVIS MADE A MISTAKE ON THE ISSUE OF VATICAN COUNCIL II AND OTHER RELIGIONS : ALSO ON RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ?

There has been no defence of Michael Davis from Daphne McLeod. He was wrong on the issue of other religions and Christian communities. Could he also be wrong on Religious Liberty with reference to Vatican Council II (DH)?

 
It is clear now that all salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II (LG 8, UR 3 etc) is invisible for us and explicit only for God. So these persons in Heaven cannot be considered known exceptions to the dogma extra eccllesiam nulla salus. For Michael Davis these cases were explicit for us. He was using the dead man walking premise.The dead saved in heaven were visible for him was an oversight in the interpretation of the Council.
 
Daphne Mcleod does not deny it.
 
This same error was made by the SSPX bishops and it is still there in books published by the SSPX in the USA and Italy.
 
Michael Davis also believed that Dignitatis Humane, Vatican Council II contradicted the traditional teaching on religious liberty. Many traditionalists do not agree with him. Fr. Brian Harrison and New Catholic, the editor  at Rorate Caeili are some of them.
 
(Though Fr.Brian Harrison and New Catholic have made the same error as Michael Davis on the issue of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.)
 
Michael Voris, the Roman Theological Forum and the SSPX have picked up Michael Davis' understanding of Religious Liberty.
 
False religions have no rights is one of their familiar slogans.
 
1.Dignitatis Humanae mentions a secular state with a secular Constitution. It refers to other religions having equal rights in such a state.Even the SSPX accepts legally that other religions have equal rights in a secular state.
 
2.Morally the SSPX bishops and priests  affirm that other religions are not paths to salvation and so false religions should not have equal rights as the Catholic Church.They base this affirmation on Tradition which is pre-Vatican Council II.
 
For me Dignitatis Humane is making an objective observation accepted even by traditionalists as a reality in a secular state.Since Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Council is saying that we have a moral obligation to affirm the dogma on exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church with no exceptions in 2014.DH itself says Catholics have the right to proclaim their faith.DH also states that it does not contradict any of the traditional teachings on this subject.
 
The SSPX can review their position on other religions , Christian communities and churches and religious liberty. Since Michael Davis was clearly wrong with reference to extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II.Also his interpretation of Religious Liberty is personal.
 
He was wrong about Fr.Leonard Feeney.He was wrong in using a false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. He was wrong in assuming that it was liturgy which determines ecclesiology and theology.
-Lionel Andrades

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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/dignitatis-humanae-does-not-contrdict.html#links
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/esquilino-problems.html#links
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/no-matter-how-you-interpret-dignitatis.html#links

SSPX NEEDS TO EXPLAIN THE COMMUNIQUE TO ITS PRIESTS AND NOT EXPEL THEM

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/sspx-needs-to-explain-communique-to-its.html

 FR.NICHOLAS PFLUGER PLEASE ANNOUNCE THAT THE RICHARD CUSHING HERESY IS UNACCEPTABLE.

SSPX - ARCHBISHOP RICHARD CUSHING WAS IN HERESY AND NOT FR.LEONARD FEENEY

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/sspx-archbishop-richard-cushing-was-in.html

THE BOSTON HERESY OF THE ARCHBISHOP INFLUENCED VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/the-boston-heresy-of-archbishop-of.html

DID CARDINAL RATZINGER ASSUME THAT THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US SO THE CATECHISM SAYS GOD IS NOT LIMITED TO THE SACRAMENTS?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/did-cardinal-ratzinger-assume-that.html

CHRISTOPHER FERRARA WITHOUT THE BOSTON HERESY OF THE ARCHBISHOP VATICAN COUNCIL II IS A TRADITONALIST COUNCIL

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/christopher-ferrara-without-boston.html

THE SSPX NEEDS TO ADDRESS THE AMBIGUITY IN THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/the-sspx-needs-to-address-ambiguity-in.html

YOUTUBE BISHOP RICHARD WILLIAMSON MAKES A DOCTRINAL ERROR

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/youtube-bishop-richard-williamson-makes.html

The ambiguity in Vatican Council II comes from assuming that the dead are visible and it is traced to the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston

 
August 8, 2012
Prof. Roberto de Mattei still has to affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in agreement with Vatican Council II (AG 7, NA 4) -it is related to Religious Liberty
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/prof-roberto-de-mattei-still-has-to.html

VIDEOS OF SSPX PRIESTS ON YOUTUBE ASSUME VATICAN COUNCIL II CONTRADICTS THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS AND THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/videos-of-sspx-priests-on-youtube.html

LAY CATHOLICS CALL A PRESS CONFERENCE ADDRESSED TO THE DOMINICANS,FRANCISCANS,JESUITS, CARMELITES AND OTHER RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/lay-catholics-call-press-conference.html

BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY COULD ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL II IN ACCORD WITH THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS AND THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/bishop-bernard-fellay-could-accept.html

IDENTIFY THE VISIBLE DEAD PROBLEM IN VATICAN COUNCIL II AND CREATE UNITY AMONG ALL SSPX PRIESTS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/identify-visible-dead-problem-in.html

THE VATICAN CANNOT HOLD THE IRRATIONAL VISIBLE DEAD VIEW SO THERE IS HOPE FOR FR. CHAZAL THAT ROME WILL RETURN TO TRADITION ONCE AGAIN

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/the-vatican-cannot-hold-irrational.html

VATICAN COUNCIL II IS IN AGREEMENT WITH ST.VINCENT PALOTTI’S UNDERSTANDING OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/vatican-council-ii-is-in-agreement-with.html

SSPX COMMUNIQUE INDICATES THEY ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT A COUNCIL WITHOUT THE VISIBLE DEAD PROBLEM

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/sspx-communique-indicates-they-are.html

SSPX PRIESTS COULD BE READY TO ACCEPT A COUNCIL WHICH DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS AND EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/sspx-priests-could-be-ready-to-accept.html

BISHOP RICHARD WILLIAMSON MAKES A DOCTRINAL ERROR

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/bishop-richard-williamson-makes.html

THEORETICALLY AND PRACTICALLY WE DON’T KNOW ANYONE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/theoretically-and-practically-we-dont.html

DID POPE BENEDICT SAY THE SYLLABUS OF ERROR IS NO MORE RELEVANT BECAUSE OF THE VISIBLE DEAD THEORY OF VATICAN COUNCIL II?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/did-pope-benedict-say-syllabus-of-error.html

FR.JOE JENKINS WANTS THE SSPX TO ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL II WITH THE VISIBLE DEAD THEORY: EVEN BISHOPS MULLER AND DI NOIA WANT THE SAME

 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-was-not.html#links
 
Archbishop Lefebvre was correct in rejecting Vatican Council II(Cushingism version): the Magisterium was not aware of the false premise during the excommunication
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/archbishop-lefebvre-was-correct-in.html#links
 
Both SSPX groups are having it out among themself and interpreting Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Archbishop Gerhard Muller with the Richard Cushing Error  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/07/sspx-are-having-it-out-among-themself.html#links

 Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was in perfect agreement with Fr.Leonard Feeney without the Richard Cushing Error

So much of the SSPX writings on Vatican Council II are now obsolete with this new finding.
 
 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/04/did-archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-and.html#links
 
BISHOP FREDERICK HENRY AND THE SSPX INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II AS BREAK WITH THE PAST : THEY ASSUME THE DEAD ARE VISIBLE AS DID THE ARCHBISHOP OF BOSTON RICHARD CUSHING
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/bishop-frederick-henry-and-sspx.html#links
 
RECONCILIATION OF THE SOCIETY OF ST.PIUS X (SSPX) IS NOW POSSIBLE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/reconciliation-of-sspx-is-now-possible.html#links

ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE DID NOT POINT OUT THE VISIBLE-DEAD ERROR TO CARDINAL OTTAVIANI NEITHER DID THEY MAKE IT KNOWN
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/archbishop-lefebvre-did-not-point-out.html#links

ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE WAS NOT AWARE OF THE FALSE PREMISE ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-was-not.html#links

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre did not know the reason why Vatican Council II was modernist. It was there before him but he could not see it.