Tuesday, December 23, 2014

Wrong conclusion also of the St.Benedict Centers and the SSPX (USA) : is this why they are not answering the two questions ?

Louis Tofari the SSPX USA Communications Officer and Bro.Andre Marie MICM, Prior , St.Benedict Center (Fr.Leonard Feeney's community),N.H, USA will not answer two questions on the Catholic Faith.
They are two simple questions. Why don't they want to answer them ?
TWO QUESTIONS
1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2014 ?

2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible for us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or Ad Gentes 7 which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation ?
Is the answer YES or NO?
 
The SSPX USA and the St.Benedict Centers in the diocese of Manchester and Worcester interpret Vatican Council II assuming that the dead now in Heaven are physically visible to us in 2014. So for them these cases are exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This is how Bishop Bernard Fellay, Roberto de Mattei, Bruno Gherardini and others interpret the Council .
So many times I have asked Bro. Thomas Augustine,MICM, the Prior, at the St.Benedict Center,Still River,USA if we can see the dead on earth and he would not answer this question.I would have to keep repeating the question,in one e-mail, as he would go off into another direction.
This was the error made by the Holy Office and the Boston Ecclesiastical Curia in 1949. They assumed that we could see the dead saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. Then they concluded that these cases are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
No pope corrected the error.The same confusion was repeated in Vatican Council II.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican did not isue a correction. Instead, with the irrational premise, being able to see the dead, he interpreted Vatican Council II. He then incorporated the error into the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus, Ut Unum Sint and other magisterial documents.
Now the Vatican Curia expects the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II interpreted with this irrational premise; the dead now in Heaven are physically visible to us. So the conclusion is that these deceased are explicit exceptions to the dogma on salvation and Tradition.Their wrong conclusion is : Vatican Council II contradicts the Syllabus of Errors and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This is the wrong conclusion also of the St.Benedict Centers and the SSPX USA.So is this why they are not answering the two questions?


-Lionel Andrades

SSPX USA still refuses to answer the two questions

 

The baptism of desire cannot be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, in the sense, that these cases are not humanly visible on earth

 

1 comment:

George Brenner said...


Q) Does the Church teach that a person could be saved by Baptism of Desire or Invincible Ignorance dependent on the unknown mercy of God?

A) Absolutely


Q) Should the Church teach or offer BOD or Invincible Ignorance in Her teaching mission to anyone with whom the Church comes into contact with?

B) Absolutely never

Q) Does the Catechumen who dies before they receive Baptism by water receive Baptism of Desire?

A) most probably yes

Q) Does a person who might receive Baptism of Desire mean that they are saved?

A) Impossible to answer unless that person was declared a Saint by the Church. Baptism of water or Desire in no way guarantees that God will judge them worthy of Salvation. Countless examples could be cited to demonstrate where a person was and was not in the right spiritual frame of mind before they died and even then all the particulars are ONLY known to God.

Q. Since VCII do most in the Catholic Church presume that many non Catholics need not convert to the one and only true Church?

A) most assuredly

Q) Does Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood or Invincible Ignorance have any significance whatsoever in teaching to all that they must be Catholic?

A) None whatsoever and this is why the Church is in chaos and crisis.

George Brenner