Baptism of desire and blood are irrelevant to the 'rigorist interpretation' of Fr.Leonard Feeney

 

From Musings of a Pertinacious Papist, Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus What does it mean?

 

When Holy Mother Church definitively teaches this, she is (as Abp Lefebvre claimed) that since the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church established by Christ to be the instrument of salvation, anyone who is saved is saved through the Church,
Lionel:
Agreed.

 and further that "membership" in the Church isn't sufficient for salvation,
Lionel:
It is here where I must part ways with the good Archbishop.


For Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre to change the traditional interpretation of the dogma is heretical.To teach a new doctrine is not traditional
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/october-24-2014-lionel-barbaralook-at.html

Would you say that was also an oversight of Archbishop Lefebvre ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/would-you-say-that-was-also-oversight.html#links


Archbishop Lefebvre on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus according to Mundabor- he made a mistake
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/archbishop-lefebvre-on-extra-ecclesiam.html#links

If Louie Verrecchio answers the two questions frankly he would be at odds with the SSPX http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/if-louie-verrecchio-answers-two.html


So there are two lines of thought within the SSPX. One of them is wrong.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/so-there-are-two-lines-of-thought.html


The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) and the Vatican Curia's doctrinal position has become their political stand : talks could collapse again because of egoism

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/the-society-of-stpius-x-sspx-and.html


Muller-Fellay doctrinal deadlock : stuck on the ' visible dead ' issue
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/muller-fellay-doctrinal-deadlock-stuck.html

SSPX is still part of the problem : communique on the Beatification of Pope Paul VI
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/sspx-is-still-part-of-problem.html

Maria Guarini, Father Stefano of Radio Vobiscum also like Padre Serafino Lanzetta FFI make the same mistake on Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/maria-guarini-father-stefano-of-radio.html

The SSPX must accept Vatican Council II, lock, stock and barrel, without the irrational inference. This has the hermeneutic of continuity with the past. This Vatican Council II is traditional
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/the-sspx-must-accept-vatican-council-ii.html

Vatican Council II affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus for me
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/vatican-council-ii-affirms-extra.html

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 but Baptism (in one of three ways) is necessary.

Lionel:
Yes a person could be saved with the baptism of water, desire and blood but defacto there are no known cases of the baptism of desire and blood. We can only physically  see and physically administer the baptism of water. It is the only known baptism.If someone would be saved without the baptism of water it would only be known to God.
So the baptism of desire and blood are not defacto exceptions to the traditional teaching on all needing to be formal members of the Church. They are irrelevant to the 'rigorist interpretation' of Fr.Leonard Feeney. 

-Lionel Andrades

 

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