Sr.Noble:
Vatican II holds all the answers.
Lionel:
Yes. It indicates that all Muslims and other non Catholics are on the way to Hell since they do not have Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (Ad Gentes 7).
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
Vatican II holds all the answers.
Lionel:
Yes. It indicates that all Muslims and other non Catholics are on the way to Hell since they do not have Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (Ad Gentes 7).
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
All Muslims are on the way to Hell unless they convert into the Church is also the teaching of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, defined three times.
Sr.Noble:
We Worship the Same God: The Vatican II document, Lumen Gentium, makes this clear:
We Worship the Same God: The Vatican II document, Lumen Gentium, makes this clear:
Lionel:
There is one Creator and not two. We worship one Creator but our concept of God is not the same. There is one Creator but Hell also exists.
Sr.Noble:
[T]he plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day. (emphasis mine)
[T]he plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day. (emphasis mine)
Lionel:
The plan of salvation includes all people. However to receive this salvation they need to enter the Catholic Church (Dominus Iesus 20).
Jesus died for all.However to receive this salvation all need to respond with faith Jesus in the Catholic Church. Outside the Church there is no salvation.
Sr.Noble:
Sr.Noble:
Islam Contains Rays of Truth and Holiness: The Vatican II document, Nostra Aetate, says:
The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions. She has a high regard for the manner of life and conduct, the precepts and doctrines which, although differing in many ways from her own teaching, nevertheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men.
The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions. She has a high regard for the manner of life and conduct, the precepts and doctrines which, although differing in many ways from her own teaching, nevertheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men.
Lionel:
There could be good things in the religion but their religion is a false path to salvation, according to Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14 etc). All need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.
-Lionel Andrades
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Sr.Noble:
"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God"
Seriously???? 'TOGETHER with us they adore the ONE , merciful God'
What about the incarnation? What about the Blessed Trinity; three persons in One God? Really? We adore together the same God? This statement is blasphemy or Heresy !
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