The interpretations of Vatican Council II with the premise need to be burned in the piazza. I agree.

CraigV
No offence, but the most one can do is squint ones eyes and stand on one’s head all to make V2 not heretical.

Lionel: It is heretical if the premise is used in the interpretation.
The premise is “There are dead persons who are now in Heaven and they are visible to us. They include those saved with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance, imperfect communion with the Church etc” So the conclusion is “These cases of the visible-dead are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, the Catechism of Pope Pius X and the rest of Tradition”.

So LG 16,LG 14,LG 8,UR 3, NA 2 etc become ‘known’ exceptions to Tradition.

Without the premise mentioned above, there is nothing in Vatican Council to change the traditional teaching on other religions and Christian communties.
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And even that’s iffy. V2 used the language of the New Theology condemned by Pius XII (Humani generis paragraphs 13, 14, 15 and 16), is ambiguous by its very nature and is ipso facto NOT in line with tradition by its philosophical orientation, by its lack of precision and by what it leaves unsaid.

The documents either need to be burned symbolically by a pope in the square of Saint Peters, or as one bishop called for, a syllabus of errors of V2 needs to be issued. I’d take both

Lionel: The interpretations of Vatican Council II with the premise need to be burned in the piazza. I agree.

-Lionel Andrades

 

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