Monday, November 10, 2014

So if 'the Church' says that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma then where are these people who belong to the soul or body of the Church in 2014? Where are they? What are their names and surnames?

John Salza says that there is a heresy which says one can be a part of the soul of the Church without being formally part of its visible body.Yet John Salza and Cornelia Ferrara seem to make the same error.
 
We know that the  dogma says every one needs to be a formal member of the Church for salvation.De facto all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation .
So  how can a person  be joined to the body or soul of the Church in particular cases in 2014 , with the baptism of desire, for it  to be relevant to the dogma on salvation?.
 
How can being saved outside the visible confines of the Church be an exception to the dogma, as taught by the Church Councils, popes, saints and Fr.Leonard Feeney? Yet it is an exception for John Salza and so Vatican Council II is a break with the past.
 
So if 'the Church' says that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma then where are these people who belong to the soul or body of the Church in 2014? Where are they? What are their names and surnames?
 
To imply that the baptism of desire is a known means of salvation is material heresy. The mistake is innocent but it is an irrationality.It would be saying 'I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sin"(Nicene Creed?).
 
Tradition only mentions a baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.It does not say that the baptism of desire  cannot be followed by the  baptism of water.Neither  does it state that the baptism of desire , with or without the baptism of water, are explicit for us.We know they are not explicit for us! The text of Vatican Council II also does not state that these cases are explicit.Neither does the text of Vatican Council II state that they are a  break with Tradition.John Salza innocently infers this. The mistake is with him.
 
He mentions God has given us an intellect. How can we intellectually hold that there are people in Heaven,saved with the baptism of desire etc, who are living and known exceptions, in the present times, to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? How can someone dead be relevant to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney?
Faith and reason are not in agreement here.
There was a mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.The  error has resulted in a wrong interpretation of Vatican Council II by John Salza, Cornelia Ferrara, John Verrani, Louie Verrecchio etc.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 

1 comment:

George Brenner said...

Except for a remnant of Catholics at any level the common belief for many decades has been that ONLY people who believe in " No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church" are accountable to hold this belief in order to possibly gain salvation. All others need not join or be in communion with the Catholic Church for their salvation is dependent upon being good and seeking God with a sincere heart?????
Since the rebuke of Father Feeney we are living under a punishment willed and allowed by God for our lack of faith and more importantly living and teaching the faith. Until the Church goes back to proper catechesis, babel, uncertainty and false doctrine will prevail.

JMJ,

George Brenner