Louie and John have not mentioned Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. AG 7 is traditional and in agreemen with Tradiion on salvation.
Also how can UR 3 be an exception to Tradition and in particular the dogma on salvation ? Do we know any one in 2014 saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3)?
They both are assuming that someone saved outside the visible limits of the Church are known and visible to us.
The fault is with the reader of the Council and not with the text of the Council.
The ambiguity and heresy comes from using an irrational premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
If they both did not infer that those saved in imperfect communion with the church are visible UR 3 would be Traditional.
Also how can UR 3 be an exception to Tradition and in particular the dogma on salvation ? Do we know any one in 2014 saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3)?
They both are assuming that someone saved outside the visible limits of the Church are known and visible to us.
The fault is with the reader of the Council and not with the text of the Council.
The ambiguity and heresy comes from using an irrational premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
If they both did not infer that those saved in imperfect communion with the church are visible UR 3 would be Traditional.
-Lionel Andrades
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