Thursday, November 6, 2014

In faith he assumes there are known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In morals he assumes there are known exceptions to mortal sin.





Lionel:
Indignus:
In Par. 70 of Veritatis. S..JPII writes:
“The statement of the Council of Trent does not only consider the “grave matter” of mortal sin; it also recalls that its necessary condition is “full awareness and deliberate consent”.
Lionel:
Cardinal Ratzinger should have clarified that he was referring to conditions known only to God.
Similarly he has not clarified that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are known only to God and so are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
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In any event, both in moral theology and in pastoral practice one is familiar with cases in which an act which is grave by reason of its matter does not constitute a mortal sin because of a lack of full awareness or deliberate consent on the part of the person performing it.
Lionel:
The exception has nothing to do with the rule.
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Even so, “care will have to be taken not to reduce mortal sin to an act of ‘fundamental option’ — as is commonly said today — against God”, seen either as an explicit and formal rejection of God and neighbor or as an implicit and unconscious rejection of love. “For mortal sin exists also when a person knowingly and willingly, for whatever reason, chooses something gravely disordered. In fact, such a choice already includes contempt for the divine law, a rejection of God’s love.”
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Isn’t JPII saying the same thing here as Jimmy Akins? as far as the two conditions are concerned–which he says is confirmed by Trent?
Lionel:
I don’t know about JP II. He was not well and Cardinal Ratzinger overlooked the writing of Veritatis Splendor.
However Akins makes the same error in morals and in faith.
In faith he assumes there are known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In morals he assumes there are known exceptions to mortal sins.
In both cases what is invisible for us he assumes is visible and so is a factor in rejecting the Traditional teaching.
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Isn’t he warning against trying to make more than the simple two conditions -a necessity for the commission of mortal sin?
Lionel:
It works that way among the liberals. Veritatis Splendor did a good job in criticizing the Fundamental Option Theory.-Lionel Andrades
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