Catholic Herald ,U.K publishes article on salvation approved by the Left - 2

 

 

The Catholic Herald (CH) Editor Luke Coppen  and the CH  columnist William Odie are promoting Cushingism. It is a heresy. Cushingism indicates there is known salvation outside the Church.There were  known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus for Cardinal Richard Cushing, the Archbishop of Boston.It is opposed to Feeneyism which says outside the Church there is no salvation and all need to defacto enter the Church, there being no known exceptions.

The Catholic Herald has not clarified that the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 and 846, which is quoted in the article by William Odie,  do not contradict the traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Feeneyite version.Since there are no known exceptions in the present time to the traditional interpretation, called  the 'rigorist interpretation' by the secular media.

 

William Odie writes:

The doctrine is deceptively simple: that “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus”: outside the Church there is no salvation. Does that mean in fact that unless you are in communio sacris with the Roman Catholic Church you will be damned, that Christ will not save you however, you live your life? Does that sound at all likely? So what does the doctrine mean?

Lionel:

The text of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says all need to be formal members of the Catholic Church for salvation. It indicates Protestants and Orthodox Christians are oriented to 'the fires of Hel'l unless they enter the Catholic Church ( Cantate Domnio, Council of Florence 1441).

So all non Catholics need to enter the Church according  to the dogma and Vatican Council II( Ad Gentes 7). Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation.Protestants and Orthodox Christians do not have Catholic Faith. They are not formal members of the Catholic Church. They are outside the Church.

William Odie:

This is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about it:

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door.

“Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

“847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

“Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation.”

Lionel:

CCC 846 and 847 do not contradict the Feeneyite version of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Since defacto, in 2014 we do not know any one who is saved or going to be saved 'through no fault of his own' and who 'follows the dictates of his conscience' and does not need the baptism of water.

William Odie:

According to this, we enter the Church by baptism. Salvation is what God gives to those who “seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience”. The Orthodox Bishop and Oxford theologian, Kallistos Ware, puts it in this way:

“Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. All the categorical strength and point of this aphorism lies in its tautology. Outside the Church there is no salvation, because salvation is the Church” …. Does it therefore follow that anyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned?

Lionel:

Any one who is not visibly in the Catholic Church for example in England, in 2014, is not visibly in the Church! If he is not a formal member of the Church, with 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) he is outside the Catholic Church.

According to Ad Gentes 7 all need faith and baptism for salvation.The ordinary means of salvation is formal entry into the Catholic Church. The ordinary means of salvation is not someone who is invisible to us and who is following the 'dictates of his conscience' or is 'in ignorance through no fault of his own.'

For example, the Orthodox Bishop and Oxford theologian, Kallistos Ware is visibly outside the Church if he is not in formal communion with the Catholic Church.

Of course not; still less does it follow that everyone who is visibly within the Church is necessarily saved. As Augustine wisely remarked: “How many sheep there are without, how many wolves within!” (Homilies on John, 45, 12) While there is no division between a “visible” and an “invisible Church”, yet there may be members of the Church who are not visibly such, but whose membership is known to God alone. If anyone is saved, he must in some sense be a member of the Church; in what sense, we cannot always say.”

Lionel:

 The dogma and Vatican Council II (AG 7) tells us in what way he has to be a member of the Church. It is very clear. There is no change in the tradiional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church .

While we are about it, are the Orthodox, is Bishop Kallistos, according to the Catholic Church “extra ecclesiam”? Hardly: the Catholic Church allows its clergy to administer the sacraments of Penance, the Eucharist and Anointing of the Sick to members of the Eastern Orthodox Church, if these spontaneously ask for the sacraments and are properly disposed.

Lionel:

In exceptional conditions. In general members of the Orthodox Churches, our sister churches, are outside the Church.They are on the way to Hell according the dogma and Vatican Council II.I am referring to the Church Documents and not the conflicting statements of popes and cardinals ,on this subject.

It also allows Catholics who cannot approach a Catholic minister to receive these three sacraments from clergy of the Eastern Orthodox Church, whenever necessity requires or a genuine spiritual advantage commends it.

Lionel:

In certain circumstances. Otherwise, in general, the Eucharist is not shared.

-Lionel Andrades

 

November 17, 2014

Catholic Herald ,U.K publishes article on salvation approved by the Left

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