There are no cases of the baptism of desire yet we have theologies of the baptism of desire with reference to extra ecclesiam nulla salus

We do not know any one saved with the baptism of desire followed by the baptism of water.We cannot see any one saved in Heaven.There are no cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance. And yet we have theologies of the baptism of desire with reference to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Similarly we do not know any one in 2014 saved in invinciblie ignorance (LG 16) or seeds of the Word (AG 11). We cannot see these people in Heaven. Yet LG 16,AG 11, UR 3,NA 2, LG 8 etc are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? This is also the liberal position of Cardinal Walter Kaspar.In 2014 we do not know of any exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and yet Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma on salvation?

'elements of sanctifcation and truth'(LG 8) are not known to us in personal cases in 2014.Yet it is to an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to theologies? So Vatican Council II is rejected by the traditionalists.
Never has Brother Andre Marie or corrected any one saying that the baptism of desire is not known and visible to us to be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

-Lionel Andrades

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