Is the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate priest inferring that the baptism of desire is an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

 

 

 

 

 

La salvezza può avvenire anche con ciò che la Chiesa ha definito battesimo di desiderio o desiderio del battesimo. Se un uomo non riesce a ottenere il battesimo di acqua, ma vive in modo moralmente onesto, con una coscienza pura perché fondata sulla legge morale naturale e perciò è proteso a Dio anche senza conoscerlo e fa il bene, può salvarsi. Si postula che costui, in condizioni ordinarie, avrebbe accettato di essere battezzato e perciò desidera, almeno implicitamente, il battesimo, porta della salvezza. Non se ne annulla la necessità ma si vede la sua cogenza anche oltre i confini sacramentali della Chiesa. Perciò, ogni uomo, di ogni religione, può salvarsi, purché desideri la verità, il Cristo. Il desiderio muove alla fede e quindi alla salvezza.

Non si tratta di un “sincretismo salvifico” ma della possibilità di riconoscere l’unica Verità per esserne posseduti per sempre. -P.Serafino Lanzetta FFI.

Translation: 

Salvation can also be received with what the Church has defined the baptism of desire or baptism of desire. If a man is unable to obtain the baptism of water, but lives in a morally honest, with a pure conscience because it is based on the natural moral law and therefore is also reaching out to God without knowing it and doing well, it can be saved. It is postulated that this man, in ordinary circumstances, would have agreed to be baptized and therefore want to, at least implicitly, the baptism, the door of salvation. It does not cancel the need but you see its cogency beyond the sacramentals borders of the Church. Therefore, every man, of every religion, can be saved, as long as he wasnts the truth, of Christ. The desire moves him to the faith and then to salvation. This is not a "syncretism of salvation" but the possibility of recognizing the one Truth to be possessed forever.

P.Serafino Lanzetta FFI:

Salvation can also be received with what the Church has defined the baptism of desire or baptism of desire.

Lionel:
Yes but we do not know any such case in 2014. We cannot meet someone on the streets saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.So these cases are not relevant to every one needing the baptism of water for salvation.
So all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation in 2014 and there are no known exceptions.
Is the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate inferring that the baptism of desire is an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

If he does imply this and says that this was the decision of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston, then would he say that the Letter made an objective mistake?

 

P.Serafino Lanzetta FFI:

 If a man is unable to obtain the baptism of water, but lives in a morally honest, with a pure conscience because it is based on the natural moral law and therefore is also reaching out to God without knowing it and doing well, it can be saved.

Lionel:
Yes he can. However this is a hypothetical case and is not related to the traditional, centuries old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

 

P.Serafino Lanzetta FFI:

It is postulated that this man, in ordinary circumstances, would have agreed to be baptized and therefore want to, at least implicitly, the baptism, the door of salvation.

Lionel:
This is a theoretical case. It  cannot be a defacto exception in 2014.

 

P.Serafino Lanzetta FFI:

 It does not cancel the need but you see its cogency beyond the sacramentals borders of the Church.

Lionel:
We do not know any one saved outside the sacramental borders of the Church in 2014. There is no known salvation outside the Church.

 

P.Serafino Lanzetta FFI:

 Therefore, every man, of every religion, can be saved, as long as he wasnts the truth, of Christ.

Lionel:
Yes in potential, hypothetically. However for salvation he needs to enter the Catholic Church formally, i.e with faith and baptism (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, Dominus Iesus 20 etc.) - Lionel Andrades

 

 

Tutti i non cattolici vanno all'inferno? - padre Serafino M. Lanzetta FFI http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/10/tutti-i-non-cattolici-vanno-allinferno.html