Saturday, September 13, 2014

Letter of the Holy Office 1949 presents a theology of the baptism of desire when there is no known case in existence

Bishop George Hay, Orestes Brownson and Fr. Mueller teach Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood. They also believe EENS is a dogma without exceptions. 

Lionel:
We have to distinguish between visible and invisible baptism of desire. If they accept that the baptism of desire is invisible for us then they can also affirm the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

If they assume that the baptism of desire is visible in the flesh; that we personally know these cases in real life, then the baptism of desire would be an exception to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation.
So do Bishop George ,Orestes Brown and Fr.Mueller distinguish between invisible and visible, hypothetical and explicit for us baptism of desire ?

Cushingism implies that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He inferred that these cases were visible, for them to be exceptions.

We also see the Letter of the Holy Ofice 1949 presenting a theology of the baptism of desire when there is no known case in existence. Hypothetical cases cannot be exceptions to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

Similarly Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) cannot be an exception to the Feeneyite aspect of Vatican Council II, which says all need faith and baptism, for salvation.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257 made an error when in reference to the Necessity of Baptism it mentioned that 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'.Here it is being implied that those saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance are exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. If they are exceptions or relevant to the baptism of water being the norm for salvation, then it must mean that these cases are not invisible but visible for us. This is an objective error. We cannot see the deceased.
-Lionel Andrades

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