Sunday, August 31, 2014

This is a non traditional ( opposed to Aquinas and Augustine),irrational and heretical ( contradicting the Nicene Creed and the dogma on salvation) statement.

Fr Martin Fox said...


One more try and then that's it.
Focus, focus focus....
You claimed Ratzinger made an error regarding one, particular statement:
"God is not limited to the sacraments."
I'm telling you that Aquinas said virtually the same thing. I quoted it above.
If you respond, respond by addressing this ONE AND ONLY ONE issue. Not "seeing the dead." Whatever the merits of that topic, I did not intend to ask about that, and at this moment, that is not my concern.
Please address how Ratzinger's quoted statement above can be wrong, but not Aquinas.
If you don't want to address that ONE AND ONLY topic, then there's no need to respond at all.


Lionel:

"God is not limited to the sacraments."
This implies that there is known salvation outside the Church and so ...God is not limited to the Sacraments.
It implies that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance (CCC 1258-1260) are visible in the flesh in 2014 for them to be exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation.So God is not limited to the Sacraments.

This is false since we do not know any person in 2014 who is an exception to all needing the baptism of water.
It is false since no magisterial text before 1949 claims we know such persons in real life.
It is false since no magisterial text before the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 claims that there are known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So how can it be said God is not limited to the sacraments when there is no New Revelation in the Catholic Church to contradict the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
It is wrong since it would contradict Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the Catechism itself (846,1257).
It contradicts St.Thomas Aquinas who says the baptism of water is always needed for salvation.He never claimed that there were known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This is a non traditional ( opposed to Aquinas and Augustine),irrational and heretical ( contradicting the Nicene Creed and the dogma on salvation) statement.
-Lionel Andrades


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