For a Catholic there is no separation of Church and State and DH does not state that there is one.
Jesus is the only Saviour of the world and outside the Church there is no salvation (Ad Gentes 7) .So all political and social laws must have Jesus at its centre.They must be oriented to Jesus according to the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church.
Bishop Richard Williamson and the SSPX (SOS) priests use this irrational premise. So does Bishop Bernard Fellay and the other SSPX bishops.
Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation. The Christian communities (Protestants etc) do not have Catholic Faith, which include the Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church. They need to convert for salvation.
So on other religions and ecumenism Vatican Council II is traditional.
Without the premise Vatican Council II has the hermenutic of continuity and says all need 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) for salvation.NA 2,UR3,LG16,LG8 etc refer to possibilities known only to God,.They refer to hypothetical cases for us. So they are not known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism).
So I can affirm the traditional teaching on other religions, religious liberty and ecumenism, without rejecting Vatican Council II.
The SSPX is rejecting Vatican Council II because Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre has rejected it.
1) He was not aware of Vatican Council II with or without the premise.He was not aware of the premise being the cause of the break with the past.
2) He did not notice the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. He also assumed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance were visible exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The Hindu in Tibet can be saved in his religion, this is true, but we don't know any such case, defacto.He is saved through Jesus and the Church, true, but he is not an explicit case to be an exception to all needing the baptism of water for salvation.
So it must always be clarified,as I mentioned in an earlier post, if one is referring to a Vatican Council II with or without the irrational premise.
Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7 indicates most people are on the way to Hell without 'faith and baptism'.
This is what I believe. This is how I interpret Vatican Council II.
Vatican Council II does not say that salvation in Heaven is visible to us.It does not say there is known salvation outside the Church.It does not state that Nostra Aetate 2, Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Lumen Gentium 16, Lumen Gentium 8 are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The text does not make this inference.So I do not use the irrational inference in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.
This is how I interpret the Council.
It is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors,the Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Council of Trent and the rest of Tradition.There is no hermenutic of rupture.
This is how I interpret the Council.
It is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors,the Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Council of Trent and the rest of Tradition.There is no hermenutic of rupture.
We have found the missing link, the missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle.
We now know what makes Vatican Council II traditional or non traditional.It is: the false premise!.
We now know what makes Vatican Council II traditional or non traditional.It is: the false premise!.
We need to target the false inference and the theological train will get back on the rails.
Identify the premise and change the Church!
-Lionel Andrades
1 comment:
It is wise that you post the speech by Father Isaac for what he says is clear and true. I have and will continue to commend you on your efforts in attempting to convince all that the continuity of "No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church" exits before, during and after VCII and for all time for that matter.
The problem is that the punishment that we are suffering due to the lack of clarity, truth and proper catechesis has been absorbed not only in the minds and hearts but in the very soul of all small 'c' catholics. Lionel their thought process is hardened by decades of modernistic and evil infiltration. All save a few or remnant have the good will and moral compass to even consider what you have been trying to explain. But try you and all of good will and truth must continue to pursue.
JMJ,
George Brenner
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