Saturday, July 5, 2014

SSPX infers invincible ignorance (LG16) is visible for us, a defacto exception to all needing water-baptism so they condemn Vatican Council II

If you want to find a historical reason that brought a crisis on the Catholic Church you don't need to go far. Its called Vatican II with that 'smoke of Satan'.
Lionel:
Yes you mean Vatican Council II with the false premise. Without the irrational premise Vatican  Council is traditional.The premise assumes we can see the dead saved with the baptism of desire. Then it is presumed that these visible-deceased are exceptions to all needing to enter the Church with the baptism of water.
Do not put me against the SSPX. I am  just a Catholic who wants to  Tradition. On some things I dont agree with them.But I cannot  accept tit when you say Vatican II is traditional. Since it affims principles condemned by the Church.

Lionel:
Vatican Council II ( with the dead-saved and visible who are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is not traditional.
You dont need to call me either a “traditionalist”. To me who really wants to  be a Catholic defends Tradition.As far as I know, you are claiming to be a Catholic, but at the same time  a Feeneyist.You cannot be two things. Feeneyism condemned, like it or not.
Lionel:
The problem of the interpretation of Vatican Council II with the false premise comes from the Letter of the Holy Office.
For example:
Invisible baptism of desire was considered visible.Then it was considered an exception by the Holy Office1949.
Invisible being saved in invincible ignorance was consided visible by the Holy Office. Then it was considered an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.See the text.
Today the SSPX considers invincible ignorance (Lumen Gentium 16) as not invisible but visible for us. This is an exception for them to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So they condemn Vatican Council II.
Lumen gentium 16 however does not refer to being saved with visible invincible ignorance.LG 16 does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The SSPX makes the error since they accepted the error of the Holy Office 1949.They are using the reasoning of the Holy Office 1949.This irrational reasoning was used by the Holy Office (CDF) in its criticism of Fr.Leonard Feeney and the traditional interpretation of the dogma according to him.
-Lionel Andrades

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