So how can the USCCB , the SSPX, CathInfo forum and so many others say there are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus? This is heresy?

If these cases are "visible," then why can't we name those individuals? Who are they?

 

Lionel: 

Correct, that's my point. So how an the USCCB , the SSPX, CathInfo and so many others say there are exceptions to EENS ? This is heresy? 

 

I don't think that the SSPX has ever made such a claim, even implicitly. If you believe otherwise, please post the exact paragraph from a SSPX document.

 

Lionel:

Q. 28.

But, in the case proposed, if a person in his last moments shall receive the light of faith from God, and embrace it with all his heart, would this suffice to make him a member of the true Church in the sight of God?

A.

Most undoubtedly; the case is the same in this as in that of baptism. Though Jesus Christ expressly says, "Except a man be born of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (Jn. 3:5), which establishes the absolute necessity of baptism for salvation; yet, suppose a heathen should be instructed in the faith of Christ, and embrace it with all his heart, but die suddenly without baptism ... in the above dispositions with sincere repentance and a desire for baptism, this person will undoubtedly receive all the fruits of baptism from God, and therefore is said to be baptized in desire. In like manner, suppose a person brought up in a false religion embraces the true faith, which God gives him in his last moments - as it is absolutely impossible for him in that state to join the external communion of the Church in the eyes of men, yet he certainly will be considered united to her in the sight of God, by means of the true faith which he embraces, and his desire of being united to the Church, were it in his power. (Sincere Christian, Vol. 2, pp.322-323.). http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_baptisms.htm

 

The discussion is on the 'Feeneyite' posiiton. You say that there are no exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). There are no visible cases. There are no defacto, known cases who would not need the baptism of water in 2014. There are none whom you know.This is a given

 

Then you say that the SSPX does not state that there are exceptions to EENS.In other words the SSPX has not made a mistake.

So I quoted you this passage above  from the SSPX website which criticizes Feeneyism and says that the baptism of desire is an exception. The baptism of desire is an exception? You can see and know any case defacto?

 

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Lionel Andrades

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