Friday, June 27, 2014

Priests who offer Holy Mass in the vernacular now affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus : SSPX, Fr.Paul Kramer deny it

Traditionalists are unaware of the mistake from the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.
Fr.Paul Kramer criticizes 'Feeneyites' for not accepting a visible- for- us baptism of desire.
Bishop Marcel Lefebvre was correct in rejecting Vatican Council II ( with the irrational premise) however he was wrong in not accepting Vatican Council ( without the irrational premise).He just did not know about the premise.
Since then the SSPX bishops and priests have been interpreting Vatican Council II with the irrational premise ( the Baptman version) and are unaware that without the inference the Council is traditional on othere religions and Christian communities.
Similarly other traditionalists are not aware that one can ineterpret Vatican Council II with or without the premise of all salvation in Heaven being visible on earth, so they are visible exceptions to Tradition, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus etc.
On pro SSPX Catholic forums 'Feeneyism' is condemned by traditionalists since they infer that the baptism of desire is an exception to the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.For them it is an exception since they infer that these cases are visible in 2014 and so they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.
On the Cathinfo forum there is Fr.Paul Kramer making this claim . He calls all those who do not accept the baptism of desire ( explicit for us) as being in heresy. He does not make the distinction between implcit for us baptism of desire and explict for us baptism of desire.
Since there are no cases of any one saved saved outside the Catholic Church there is no basis for a new ecclesiology. Vatican Council II does not mention any one saved outside the Church unless you infer that ' a ray of the Truth' (NA 2) etc is visible in the flesh in 2014.
So there are now Catholic priests who offer Holy Mass in the vernacular who affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They hold the old ecclesiology and theology. While there are traditionalist priests who believe Vatican Council II ( with the inference) has created a new ecclesiology.
-Lionel Andrades

Pope Pius XII made a factual mistake : ecclesiology of the Novus Ordo and Traditional Latin Mass are now the same

Did Pope Pius XII make a mistake ?

Did Pope Pius XII make a mistake ? : implicit desire, invincible ignorance have nothing to do with extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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