Michael King,the President of the Fischer More College,USA along with other American faculty members and students have to allege that they can physically see the dead now saved in Heaven. Then they have to allege that these 'ghosts' are visible exceptions to all needing to enter the Church for salvation.
This irrational inference has also to be used in the interpretation of Vatican Council II ( Nostra Aetate 2 etc).
This is the requirement of the Vatican. The Vatican wants the Fischer More College and the Franciscans of the Immaculate to affirm this irrationality. Then only will they be allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.
An American citizen will have freedom of worship and religion only if he affirms an irrationality which leads to a new doctrine and theology which is non traditional and a break with Catholic beliefs.American Catholics have to claim that they can see the dead.This is not Constitutional.It's is illegal to force someone to affirm a lie.There should be a freedom of worship without having to tell a falsehood in public.
Telling this lie is a NORM in the Catholic Church.Here are some examples from the website of the International Theological Commission, Vatican.
59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949) offers
further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not always required
that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church, but
it is necessary that one belong to it at least in desire and longing (voto et
desiderio). It is not always necessary that this desire be explicit as it is
with catechumens.
When one is invincibly ignorant, God also accepts an implicit desire, so
called because it is contained in the good disposition of soul by which a person
wants his or her will to be conformed to God’s will”.- The Hope of Salvation for
Infants who die without the being baptized', International Theological
Commission,2007
Lionel:
What had the baptism of desire to do with the traditonal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus by Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston?
What had the baptism of desire to do with the traditonal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus by Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston?
For the ITC it is an EXCEPTION to the dogma!
So there is no more exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church for the ITC.The baptism of desire is not an exception! This is a LIE.
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So there is no more exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church for the ITC.The baptism of desire is not an exception! This is a LIE.
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'10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological system
or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus—is no
longer defended by Catholic theologians after the clear statements of Pius XII
and Vatican Council II on the possibility of salvation for those who do not
belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16; GS 22)...'-International
Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions
Lionel:
Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis, cardinals and archbishops have not objected to this passage from Christianity and the World Religions by the International Theological Commission 1997.
Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis, cardinals and archbishops have not objected to this passage from Christianity and the World Religions by the International Theological Commission 1997.
There is a factual mistake here.
'the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the
Church (cf, e.g., LG 16...')
It is a possibility of salvation ,true, but it is not an exception to the
traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. A possibility is not
an exception.
If a possibility was an exception then we could physically see the deceased
saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16). This passage above implies that we can see
the deceased now saved in Heaven for them to be exceptions to the literal
interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, according to Fr.Leonard Feeney of
Boston. It is a fact that we cannot see the dead. So again we have the LIE.
Pope Benedict XVI and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, the present Secretary of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican approved this
passage.
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67. Vatican Council II makes its own the expression extra ecclesiam nulla salus. But in using it the council explicitly directs itself to Catholics and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of the Church for salvation. The council holds that the affirmation is based on the necessity of faith and of baptism affirmed by Christ (LG 14). In this way the council aligned itself in continuity with the teaching of Pius XII, but emphasized more clearly the original parenthentical character of this expression.- Christianity and the World Religions 1997,International Theological Commission
'and limits its validity to those who know the necessity of the Church for
salvation.'
Lionel:
Again it is being implied that possibilities of salvation known only to God
are personally known to us in the present times.
Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation and we do not know
any one how is going to be condemned or saved, who 'knew' about the Church or
was in invincible ignorance.Possibilities are not known exceptions to the
traditional teaching on salvation. Every one needs to enter the Church for
salvation in 2014 and not only those who know. Those who know or do not know
will be decided by God. It is LIE to infer that we know who knows and so this is relevant to the dogma.The inference is wron. The text does not state that these cases are explicit for us.
-Lionel Andrades
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