Invisible persons cannot be an exception on earth to Fr.Leonard Feeney saying every one needs the baptism of water for salvation

Just so we're clear, Lionel, Father Feeney and his group got into trouble because they claimed, 1) the catechetical materials that were being used in the Diocese of Boston (namely, the Baltimore Catechism) contained formal heresy, and 2) that the Bishop of Boston was a formal heretic within the Catholic Church.

Lionel:

Any one who says that the baptism of desire is visible to us and is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus is irrational.Even if a cardinal says that he can see case of the dead-saved with the baptism of desire it would be fantasy.

To claim there are visible exceptions to the defined dogma, to claim there is salvation outside the Church is heresy!

This was the heresy of the cardinal who issued the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, the Archbishop of Boston who approved it and the Holy Office which condoned it.This was public heresy.It was a major break in Catholic teaching.

 

 

You have that problem, though, with the Roman Martyrology, which, for centuries on end, even with its various corrections, deletions, additions, and other modifications, saying that "so and so died as a catechumen".  The Catholic Church has always taught that catechumens are unbaptized folks who are awaiting and preparing for the Sacrament of Baptism.  Don't you see a problem here?

Lionel: If some one has died without the baptism of desire it is not a problem.Since  the baptism of desire is Always invisible for us human beings. It would be an exception for me, if the baptism of desire was explicit.Then it would be relevant to the dogma.   The Catholic Church has always taught that catechumens are unbaptized folks who are awaiting and preparing for the Sacrament of Baptism.  Don't you see a problem here?   Lionel: No.Since these unbaptized folks for me are invisible.When they are saved in Heaven they will only be visible in Heaven. Invisible persons cannot be an exception on earth to Fr.Leonard Feeney saying every one needs the baptism of water for salvation. Every one needs to convert into the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II). If there is some one saved without the baptism of water it would be invisible for me in 2014. -Lionel Andrades