Cardinal Jean-Louis Pierre Tauran is President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue. He has never affirmed Ad Gentes 7 in public with reference to Muslims and other non Catholics.
The following text from Vatican Council II is binding on Cardinal Jean-Louis Pierre Tauran and the Society of St.Pius X.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
According to Ad Gentes 7 all non Catholics need faith and baptism for salvation.This means Vatican Council II is saying that all Muslims and others need to enter the Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
Cardinal Tauran rejects the above quotation of Ad Gentes 7. He rejects Vatican Council II.
Cardinal Tauran must also agree that there is nothing in Nostra Aetate which contradicts Ad Gentes 7. Since those saved with a 'a ray of that Truth' are not known to us in 2014.These are unknown cases and so they cannot be exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Neither are they exceptions to Ad Gentes 7.Vatican Council II does not contradict itself. Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7.
Vatican Council II is traditional on the subject of other religions and Christian communities.It is pro- SSPX. The Council is saying that Protestants and Orthodox Christians need Catholic Faith for salvation (AG 7) and Muslims,Jews and others need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (AG 7).
The following text from Vatican Council II is binding on Cardinal Jean-Louis Pierre Tauran and the Society of St.Pius X.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
According to Ad Gentes 7 all non Catholics need faith and baptism for salvation.This means Vatican Council II is saying that all Muslims and others need to enter the Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
Cardinal Tauran rejects the above quotation of Ad Gentes 7. He rejects Vatican Council II.
Cardinal Tauran must also agree that there is nothing in Nostra Aetate which contradicts Ad Gentes 7. Since those saved with a 'a ray of that Truth' are not known to us in 2014.These are unknown cases and so they cannot be exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Neither are they exceptions to Ad Gentes 7.Vatican Council II does not contradict itself. Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7.
Vatican Council II is traditional on the subject of other religions and Christian communities.It is pro- SSPX. The Council is saying that Protestants and Orthodox Christians need Catholic Faith for salvation (AG 7) and Muslims,Jews and others need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (AG 7).
So when Cardinal Tauran and the Vatican want the Society of St.Pius X and Catholic reliogious communities like the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept Nostra Aetate he must clarify that for him (1) there are no cases known of a non Catholic saved with ' a ray of that Truth' and (2) Ad Gentes 7, indicates that the Muslims need 'faith and baptism' to avoid Hell-fires.This is Vatican Council II.
If Vatican Council II continues to be a condition for the Vatican to recognize religious communities, as I mentioned in a previous post, then the Vatican Council for Interreligious Dialogue must clarify that Vatican Council II is not a break with the Catechism of Pope Pius XII, the Syllabus of Errors and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Neither does it contradict Dominus Iesus, Redemptoris Missio, Ecclesiam Suam and Evangelii Nuntiandi of Pope Paul VI,nor the Catechism of the Catholic Church of Pope John Paul II.-Lionel Andrades
If Vatican Council II continues to be a condition for the Vatican to recognize religious communities, as I mentioned in a previous post, then the Vatican Council for Interreligious Dialogue must clarify that Vatican Council II is not a break with the Catechism of Pope Pius XII, the Syllabus of Errors and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Neither does it contradict Dominus Iesus, Redemptoris Missio, Ecclesiam Suam and Evangelii Nuntiandi of Pope Paul VI,nor the Catechism of the Catholic Church of Pope John Paul II.-Lionel Andrades
February 26, 2010
Black out on reports of the SSPX being in agreement with Vatican Council II
CDF CLARIFIES COMMENT ON CONDOMS BUT NOT JEWS : POPE CONTRADICTS BIBLE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/12/cdf-clarifies-comment-on-condoms-but.html#links
VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS JEWS NEED TO CONVERT, CATHOLICS ARE THE NEW PEOPLE OF GOD BUT REPORT ON SSPX CLAIMS VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS OTHERWISE
CDF CLARIFIES COMMENT ON CONDOMS BUT NOT JEWS : POPE CONTRADICTS BIBLE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/12/cdf-clarifies-comment-on-condoms-but.html#links
January 20, 2010
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Letter of Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone on the Revised Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews.
Bertone, Tarcisio
Città del Vaticano, 2008/05/14
Mr Oded Wiener
Director-General of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel
Beit Yahav
80 Yirmiyahu Street
P.O. Box 36016
Jerusalem
Dear Sir,
I write with reference to the Statement issued by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel in response to the publication of the Note of 4 February 2008, altering the Oremus et pro Iudaeis prayer in the 1962 edition of the Missale Romanum.
In this regard, I would point out that – by means of the "Communiqué of the Secretariat of State" which appeared in the daily edition of L'Osservatore Romano on 5 April 2008, and subsequently in the weekly language editions of the same publication – the Holy See has clearly emphasized the Catholic Church's firm commitment, especially in the wake of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, to promote and develop relations with the Jews through dialogue marked by profound respect, sincere esteem and cordial friendship. This commitment remains unchanged, especially in view of the spiritual links that exist between Jews and Christians.
As you have observed, particular prominence has also been given to a substantial and detailed article on the subject by Cardinal Walter Kasper, President of the Commission for Religious Relations with Judaism. This article appeared on the front page of L'Osservatore Romano on 10 April 2008, (it denied Jews needed to convert into the Catholic Church according to Vatican Council II) as a sign of the importance attributed to the text and the fact that what it says about the new version of the Prayer for the Jews in the 1962 edition of the Roman Missal is commonly held. Among other things, the Cardinal emphasized that a sincere dialogue between Jews and Christians is possible, on the one hand, on the basis of our common faith in the one God, Creator of heaven and earth, and in the promises made to Abraham, but on the other hand, through respectfully acknowledging the fundamental difference over faith in Jesus as Christ and Redeemer of all mankind.(He denies the necessity of the Church for salvation) As Cardinal Kasper clearly explains, the new Oremus et pro Iudaeis is not intended to promote proselytism towards the Jews and it opens up an eschatological perspective. (Jews do not have to convert in the present times) Christians, however, cannot but bear witness to their faith, in full and total respect for the freedom of others, and this leads them also to pray that all will come to recognize Christ.
Likewise, on his recent visit to the United States of America, the Holy Father gave a number of indications of his sentiments towards the Jews. Indeed, after meeting the representatives of various religions, the Pope particularly wanted to receive a group of Jewish religious leaders in order to hand over to them a special Message on the occasion of the great feast of Pesah, devoted to celebrating the great marvels that Almighty God has worked for his people.
In New York, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI visited a synagogue in order to meet personally a Jewish community whose Rabbi was a survivor from the Nazi extermination camps. He wanted to manifest his sympathy, affection and closeness to the Jewish people, and to demonstrate, through a tangible and special gesture, the Holy See's commitment to respectful and loving dialogue, which leads to ever deeper relations of friendship and understanding.
In the hope that this letter may serve to dispel any remaining doubt on the part of the Chief Rabbinate over the Catholic Church's stance towards the Jewish people and over the intentions behind the alteration of the Oremus et pro Iudaeis of the 1962 Missale Romanum, I remain
Yours sincerely,
Tarcisio Card. Bertone
Secretary of State
Bertone, Tarcisio
Città del Vaticano, 2008/05/14
Mr Oded Wiener
Director-General of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel
Beit Yahav
80 Yirmiyahu Street
P.O. Box 36016
Jerusalem
Dear Sir,
I write with reference to the Statement issued by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel in response to the publication of the Note of 4 February 2008, altering the Oremus et pro Iudaeis prayer in the 1962 edition of the Missale Romanum.
In this regard, I would point out that – by means of the "Communiqué of the Secretariat of State" which appeared in the daily edition of L'Osservatore Romano on 5 April 2008, and subsequently in the weekly language editions of the same publication – the Holy See has clearly emphasized the Catholic Church's firm commitment, especially in the wake of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, to promote and develop relations with the Jews through dialogue marked by profound respect, sincere esteem and cordial friendship. This commitment remains unchanged, especially in view of the spiritual links that exist between Jews and Christians.
As you have observed, particular prominence has also been given to a substantial and detailed article on the subject by Cardinal Walter Kasper, President of the Commission for Religious Relations with Judaism. This article appeared on the front page of L'Osservatore Romano on 10 April 2008, (it denied Jews needed to convert into the Catholic Church according to Vatican Council II) as a sign of the importance attributed to the text and the fact that what it says about the new version of the Prayer for the Jews in the 1962 edition of the Roman Missal is commonly held. Among other things, the Cardinal emphasized that a sincere dialogue between Jews and Christians is possible, on the one hand, on the basis of our common faith in the one God, Creator of heaven and earth, and in the promises made to Abraham, but on the other hand, through respectfully acknowledging the fundamental difference over faith in Jesus as Christ and Redeemer of all mankind.(He denies the necessity of the Church for salvation) As Cardinal Kasper clearly explains, the new Oremus et pro Iudaeis is not intended to promote proselytism towards the Jews and it opens up an eschatological perspective. (Jews do not have to convert in the present times) Christians, however, cannot but bear witness to their faith, in full and total respect for the freedom of others, and this leads them also to pray that all will come to recognize Christ.
Likewise, on his recent visit to the United States of America, the Holy Father gave a number of indications of his sentiments towards the Jews. Indeed, after meeting the representatives of various religions, the Pope particularly wanted to receive a group of Jewish religious leaders in order to hand over to them a special Message on the occasion of the great feast of Pesah, devoted to celebrating the great marvels that Almighty God has worked for his people.
In New York, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI visited a synagogue in order to meet personally a Jewish community whose Rabbi was a survivor from the Nazi extermination camps. He wanted to manifest his sympathy, affection and closeness to the Jewish people, and to demonstrate, through a tangible and special gesture, the Holy See's commitment to respectful and loving dialogue, which leads to ever deeper relations of friendship and understanding.
In the hope that this letter may serve to dispel any remaining doubt on the part of the Chief Rabbinate over the Catholic Church's stance towards the Jewish people and over the intentions behind the alteration of the Oremus et pro Iudaeis of the 1962 Missale Romanum, I remain
Yours sincerely,
Tarcisio Card. Bertone
Secretary of State
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